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Any other fans of the late, great psychoanalyst Alice Miller? For those who aren't familiar with her work, she was a very vocal opponent of using corporal punishment in child rearing. As a devotee of Dr. Miller's, I, too, believe that hitting a child is never appropriate, and I support the like-minded organization "Project NoSpank".

It always surprises and alarms me that when I bring up this topic in a public forum, I'm often inundated with "spare the rod, spoil the child" kinds of responses.

For those interested, here's a link the the "Project NoSpank" website, which includes a short biography of Dr. Alice Miller.

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Rob48 7 Oct 1
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Corporal punishment teaches a child that it is appropriate to hit someone over whom you have power. It teaches that hitting is a good way to manipulate a person to do what you want. When you are raised that way, it takes effort to straighten your mind out to how that is not a good way to behave. I went through all that. The father of my children was not religious but came from a religious family and wanted me to use corporal punishment on our children for really minor things that I didn't even object to them doing. That was messed up.

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Does she base her opinion actual empirical data?

@Rob48 "...are you suggesting that Dr. Miller was incorrect in linking childhood abuse with future psychopathology?" Is physical punishment always the same as abuse?

@Rob48 I was thinking along the lines of observing (and recording), how if non-physical reactions to child misbehavior in a public school setting actually change behavior. In other words, would a bully respond to being sent to time-out by ceasing his bullying or would a vigorous spanking be observed to be more effective. I have observed that school systems will respond with an explanation of a progressing of penalties for misbehavior when asked how they "...handle discipline..." but stand speechless (like a deer in the headlights) when asked whether or not their discipline system actually changes behaviour. I regretfully came to the conclusion that a school's "discipline system" merely satisfies the public's demand for a "system" rather than producing the desired results of changing behavior. If it cannot be quantified, it is not likely happening.

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First, when you know better you do better. So I work with my parents to teach them better ways to support their children. Secondly, I am a firm believer that people, all people including children do well if they can. The big piece being IF! When someone is not doing well something is wrong. What are the lagging skills, what is causing them to not do well? Until we start working on those skills all we are doing is harming them. If a child can't read we teach them we don't beat them! If their behavior is not right teach them the skills necessary to behave appropriately.

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When I was seeing a therapist for my anger issues back in my 20's, she brought this woman to my attention and suggested I read some of her work. The book For Your Own Good was an eye opener to me about why I was so angry. I was raised by a very angry mother who always used physical punishment with my younger sister and I. I remember the phrase poisonous pedagogy and how it leads to dysfunction in later life. I still struggle at times when I am being hurt by ugly words or someone physically hurting me. That book is one I wish I still had. I gave it away to a small library when I was downsizing my life. I truly believe a lot of what is happening now with many people being so angry and ready to go into rage filled behavior has everything to do with how we are treated as babies and children. Great post for contemplation and discussion.

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If you want to learn how to raise a child without corporeal punishment, get a dog and take it to obedience training. You can raise a dog from puppy onward without ever hitting the dog. It will love you and obey your every command (if you learn from a good instructor and do the homework). Well guess what, the same principles apply to child rearing. It works. And you'll do a LOT better job of being a loving parent.

Rules Boundaries and Limitations - as Ceasar Milan was fond of saying about dogs. Many children crave this from parents.

@RavenCT Greetings. Yes, children (like dogs) want to be loved and want to please, but it's necessary to carefully cultivate that love and caring (or so I found). BTW, Adele is one of my favorite female names...which I used to name a leading character in the erotic romance novel I'm writing.

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I totally agree. I work hard with the parents of my students to help find other ways to work with their children. The only thing physical violence teaches is physical violence as a way to solve problems.

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I haven’t heard of her before, but i’m glad she did this work. hitting is never an acceptable punishment for a child.

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