So because people don't agree with your insulting lie about the virtue of slave holders who attempted to overthrow the country they are haters? What rubbish.

Pointing out your arguments are pathetic and ignorant is no more hate than telling a theist to keep their delusions to themselves.

@redbai Read again. I am not defending evil. I just stated that people suffered. And that the wounds were so deep and broad that they have not healed.
You're the one that took it to hate. Shame on you.

@Jacar Where did I say anything about hate? You keep throwing that word around as if it's some playing card you can use to quiet down expressions of disgust of the ridiculous idea that the founders and foundations of a racist culture being put in the past is a bad thing. Disgust is not hate, it's an expression used to demonstrate that the idea expressed is so out of character with conventional thought that it causes ridicule and aversion, not hate.

Try defending the "culture" that those people represented and long for instead of trying to negatively characterize the people who see it for what it was, the root of most of the bane in this country, racism and bigotry institutionalized for white privilege. Now those who no longer have that privilege want pity? Screw that.

@Jacar The "wounds" some still feel are norhing but their own inability to LET IT GO.
They are not deserving of anyrhing.

@Jacar any "suffering" the Confederacy did was a consequence of its own terrible behavior, and it wasn't nearly severe enough to atone for the harm it did. No sympathy.

@Deb57 . . .You will regret spewing such inhuman crap. . . The 99% had no real idea about why they were dying. . . "They deserved it." That is so very Jimmy Swaggart of you.
Be ashamed that you are more interested in attacking me than understanding why you are wrong.

@Jacar was that a threat?

This is about history. Real history. Many millions suffered. For horrible reasons. Most had no idea why. Many still do not. But the wounds are obviously so deep they still are felt.
Continuing to blame the 99% for something they did not understand is pretty lame. Don't ya think?

@Jacar What I think is "lame" is making excuses for people who knew that they were definitely fighting a war against the United States government, thus making them traitors no matter what facile excuse given for them fighting. And this idea that "the 99%" did not know that fighting that war would mean that a white man could own a black man is just a blatant lie.

@Jacar i don't know anyone who is blaming angone, personally, so i won't comment on that. Im also fairly sure youre right that 99% of the people who actually fought in the war werent able to have anywhere near the insight into the dynamics at hand (or the official version (TM) thereof), than we do, decades later. (Even though, like redbai said, they werent all that stupid either). I guess i don't quite understand what you think youre defending against, but like i said, it seems to be some kind of legacy of hurt, and who deserves more victim cards. Imho that sucks. Are you trying to justify the feelings of the people who fly confederate flags because their ancestors were clueless, so its ok for them to be clueless? Why are you playing identity politics?

@redbai Most did not know. No internet, no phones, limited literacy and general education.

Just like now.

@Jacar I believe that's a lie. But hey, maybe you have something like EVIDENCE to demonstrate that 99% of southerners fighting in the Civil War were to ignorant to know that it would mean leaving the USA (making them traitors) and allow them the right to hold people a slaves (making them people of low moral character).

@Jacar Blame the slave masters, not the Northerners who came to free the enslaved.

@Jacar That is just so much bullshit.

@redbai And 99% of the northerners also did not know why they were dying.

NO internet. NO phones. Most everyone was illiterate and lied to.

Obviously you would have been more informed. Time to buy a vowel.

@Jacar We aren't talking about the people from the north, we're talking about those in the south, and they knew exactly what they were fighting for. You are simply lying.

There must be a reason for these wounds to continue to be felt. If we do not understand we cannot change the circumstances.

@Jacar The reason that these "wounds" are still felt is because too many Southerners refuse to accept that the South LOST.
They are whiners who can't let it go, and still want their racist views to prevail.
There are NO "circumstances" to change.
None.
The ONLY thing we need to "understand" is that they are sore losers.

What is YOUR motivation for wanting to give their abject irrationality credence?
Are you a racist? Are you a white nationalist? Are you a fascist?

@KKGator Trump won. Get over it. Bullshit:::: the election was stolen. That is one of the reasons we are all about the congress doing its job. To stop it happening again.

@Jacar You are unnecessarily conflating two completely unrelated issues.
The South losing the Civil War has nothing to do with 45 being unfit for office.
Apples and oranges.

(see what I did there?)

@Jacar I see that you live up north. Do you have southern roots?

In my experience northern people are the ones who are still feeling wounds—I’ve seen it many times and have learned to make no mention of the Civil War in the presence of Northerners. But where I live in the South I don’t think I’ve heard a single conversation about the Civil War since I came back ten years ago. There are two or three Confederate flags on display in the county but mostly they are flown underneath US flags and are nothing but ornaments, of little significance.
Might be different in other locations.

I used to have very defensive feelings about the war but through counsel with my parents and neighbors, I have somewhat cleansed myself. Maybe some sort of course in forgiveness would be in order. To forgive is to shine the light of awareness on our mistaken thoughts and allow them to be corrected. Untrue judgmental thoughts about ourselves and about other people will melt away under the spotlight of conscious awareness.

The truth is that we are all brothers and sisters and all are worthy of the utmost love and respect. I think that it is a much happier state of mind than the other way.