First, it’s hard to get less done than has been accomplished legislatively under Trump. Second, there are already a number of die hard Christians in the Administration. The two most prominent, other than Pence, being Barr and Pompeo. They are already pushing a Christian state agenda. Third, evangelicals put Trump in office. Even with the increase in secular voters, don’t sell evangelicals short.

Propaganda? It’s an opinion. Just like you have one. Does that make yours propaganda? No. No more than mine is. However, your comment is dismissive and unappreciated.

@Rob1948 My apologies. I should have said it is LIKE propaganda. My issue is not with you personally, so I hope you do not take it as such. I don't question you as an individual, just the merit of this particular argument.

The idea that Pence is this big bad only serves to shore up the idea that Trump should remain president despite the numerous, ridiculously terrible and illegal things he has done.

We get caught up in the politicking, but fear of Pence should not drive tolerance of the current president. It's cynical and self-defeating, in my opinion.

And it was not evangelicals who elected Trump, but midwesterners who took Trump at his word, or his implication, that he would reverse deindustrialization of the Rust Belt. You know, brang bak are jerbs, even if America's economy had long since moved past non-advanced manufacturing as a primary driver.

Also it is not as if the evangelical faction has had anything but full-throated support from Trump since Day 1. The problem isn't who is in the White House, but the fact that many non-secular measures are deeply unpopular. Elective Bible classes in schools are worrisome, and part of a bad foundation which will need to be gutted, but lol, should I say have faith?

The trend of American religiosity has been on a sharp decline for more than a decade now. In 2007, the religiously unaffiliated was around 16 percent. Today, more than a quarter of Americans do not identify as religious. We are not going to become a Christian nation. The hard line that evangelicals are taking is the fight of men who realize they're losing, and desperately trying to stem the tide. It's continuing to alienate more and more Christians. Honestly, we should thank them.

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@Xuande I’m not taking it personally.

Evangelicals are Trump’s core base. They can and will be motivated to vote. And, while Christian faith may be waning in strength and commitment, it would take much to energize it into a much lastfer voting base.

The push to make America a Christian nation can be seen at many levels of political life and government. It should not be sold short because of waning influence. They are in it for the long haul and have made strides at the state and local level.

If they can continue gerrymandering efforts, it’s possible they can rig future state-level elections. If that happens, talk of a Constitutional convention will be more than talk. Alternatively, in theory, they have the votes in the USOC to overturn constitutional restrictions on separation of church and state. If the opportunity arises, the most likely vote to stop such a ruling is Chief Justice John Roberts... and, that’s not a sure thing.

I don’t know that any of that will happen but that is the direction Pence, Barr and others want it to go.

Oh, many want a conviction. They just don’t understand the consequences.

It gets worse. Republicans will never allow Pelosi to become President and, if she does, people (with their short memories — they don’t remember what happened last week) will see it as Democrats trying to steal the presidency. That will also ensure a large turnout for a Republican candidate.

The best possible outcome is impeachment and failure to convict.