Absolutely! In fact I don't know how this goes but there should be whole sections of classrooms dedicated to the dangers of identity politics. Look at how they treat Candace Owens. It really ticks me off! I have seen very belittling things said about her. So unfair! Maybe though with the current administration people feel so frustrated they are resorting to tactics they wouldn't normally use. It has just been a very divisive time.

would you refer me to the book listing those BLM leader types who hold these enlightened sentinents? ive checked the teeny-weenie books section of my library, but i can't find it.

No I can't see her as VP. Is that really the plan? I think you are wrong.

I'm an old white guy and I'm supporting Bernie. Wait! I see a trend here!

I am not a 100% AOC fan. I think some of her ideas are too unrealistic. HOWEVER that is not the point here. The point is the media trying to really trample on the candidate who I believe can return some level of much needed integrity to the office of President. No, it's not rocket science, not at ALL. It's politics where things like integrity can be easily lost and ESPECIALLY in a capitalistic society. Are these same questions being asked to other minorities who support white candidates? How tolerant should we be of this line of thought?

Also sentence three of point 6 is just WRONG. I believe Mr. Sanders would show Trump who's boss.

@Flowerwall

You know there is idealism and there is pragmatism. Books have been written on idealism but how much that can be pragmatic?

Not a single policy that Bernie Sanders is laying out can be implemented in the Congress today. None. Dreaming is one and doing it another.

Every candidate is trying to sell beautiful, shiny plans and policies in every speech, rally and interview. However, not a single candidate of the 18 candidates running today can explain this:

1. How will you put any of your policies into action when you do not have the Senate and House with a strong majority?
2. If your ideas were so easy to implement, why is the important infrastructure bill rotting in Congress for 11 years? Why 3 presidents have not been able to pass it so far?
3. Why do think we cannot pass gun control bill in Congress for 30 years when 86% of the voters are in favor of it?
4. Are you aware how hard it was for Obama when he had a majority in both houses to get votes of own Democratic Senators and Representatives who were breaking away?
5. In the light of the above, are you not a snake oill salesman to American voters? Why are you selling something that you cannot give?

Why is the media and voters not asking these questions? Why aren't candidate supporters asking these questions? Why are we taken in so stupidly by these lies?

@St-Sinner So how do you see that differing with Mrs. Warren?

@Flowerwall

I have this problem with all candidates that they don't explain how the heck they plan to achieve their shiny plans based on the current realities on the ground. If Obama could not even get his SCOTUS nominee a hearing on the Senate floor, how will any candidate get the pie in the sky done in 4, 8, 12 or 24 years?

Warren is also over promising and not explaining but many other things she has talked about are good ad fairly doable. The financial industry regulation for example. She is the most pragmatic candidate and promising some things that are doable. She is surging in polls because voters think she will defeat Trump in the debate. I am sure Bernie will have another heart attack.

Bernie and Yang are talking about trillions coming in and trillions going out. Bernie does not have a single fucking achievement in the area in his long 45 years political career he wants to revolutionize in.... He voted for putting a restriction to not sue gun manufacturers for the blame in mass shooting and now he is our savior? Why does not Bernie not run as an independent?

Bernie now wants a revolution to just put him in the White House knowing fully well that he cannot get a single bill passed, a single SCOTUS nominee approved when the Senate is controlled by the Republicans? LOL

You are real big on "putting people in theirplace", aincha? Good luck with AOC on that, Bernie too!
Oh, and who (besides you& Faux) ASSumes Repugs will still control the Senare after November?

@St-Sinner Okay you may have some valid points. If Mrs. Warren won it wouldn't be the worst day in the world. I just can't picture her defeating Trump.

Mr. Sanders and Mr. Yang. Now there is a winning team! I would hope to have as VP. It would be a new day.

@Flowerwall

Who will win against Trump in 2020 is a big question. I agree with you there.

About Bernie and Yang, it seems to me that you are a dreamer than a practical guy and you love hype. Go for it.

@AnneWimsey
Republicans keeping the Senate in Nov 2020 is nearly guaranteed. Something big has to happen to flip the Senate to Democrats.

@St-Sinner I don't get the hype part. Just saying what I see, but you are welcome to your opinion.

@Flowerwall
What I meant was a voter cannot accept Bernie's platform unless is not pragmatic and does not knows the realities on the ground. There has been a lot of drum beat of Bernie being the savior and bringing golden solutions to American people. If you happen to support Bernie, I am drawing a conclusion that you have accepted the hype and unrealities of his viability. Isn't that fair?

@St-Sinner All of these political campaigns involve degrees of hype, so all people selecting candidates are "loving" that candidate's hype, that is fair to say, and I do see the point you are trying to make. You may be more accurate in your assessment of who would get more done, it's an idea to consider, but I don't think it's something you can fully know beforehand. I do disagree with his stance on certain issues, maybe Mr. Biden or Mrs. Warren are more in line policy wise with what I think, but it's also about the person and the person is Mr. Sanders as I see it. Speaking of heart attacks, I think Mr. Sanders is looking very healthy lately. I can imagine him doling out some heart issues though to these millionaires/billionaires when they realize they can't continue to fully game the system like they have been.

You mentioned the gun issue, this is a vote I can agree on with Mr. Sanders. Why would you sue gun manufacturers when you are buying a weapon that is meant to shoot? That's like suing a stove manufacturer because you burned your own dinner. Handling the issues needs to occur through our owns laws and regulations, and really looking at and understanding WHY the shootings are happening. I still don't think society has a firm grasp on the why's of these mass shootings. Where are the government studies and reports giving us all the information we need to know regarding them? I want INFORMATION. I want to know everything regarding these cases. I think that's how we start understanding and hopefully changing.

@St-Sinner ROFLMAO, considering the mid-term results. I am so looking forward to Nov. 5th! And those jackasses who invaded the hearing room deserve everything they are going to get!

@AnneWimsey
Yes, there should be ethics and rule breaking inquiry against the Republicans.

@St-Sinner I hear the room they invaded was made sacrosanct by the Repugs for Benghazi hearings.
I also hear there were already a fair number of Repugs in the room at all times anyway, so the invasion was just Claptrap.

@Flowerwall
My whole point is what good are anybody's candidacy and plans if they cannot get any done? Can you or the candidates explain how you can get a dreamlike healthcare, all college tuition waiver done if....

1. We do not have the control of both houses?
2. We cannot agree on any bill?
3. We are bickering, fighting and have deep animosity against each other?
4. Extreme left wingers have never won presidential elections?
5. We have not been able able to pass bills that have very high support from American people like gun control, infrastructure, illegal immigration for decades?
6. Our own party members - Democrats hesitate to back up own ideas like we seen Democrats from red districts gave Obama a hard time and broke away from the Obamacare bill?
7. When... what people want does not matter but which lobbyists you are beholden to controls your decisions?
8. Bernie cannot explain what he has done worth remembering or revolutionary in his 45 year political career that can convince me that now he can do even more huge plans?
9. Obama could not even get his own SCOTUS nominee get voted up or down on the Senate floor and The Republican Senate majority leader McConnell just did not even allow to floor his nomination?

The debate is not about who has a good heart, who has compassion. The point is that no candidate today can get anything done that he or she is promising UNLESS he or she can tell me how they will get it done. I want to hear it.

@AnneWimsey What are you referring to regarding "And those jackasses who invaded the hearing room deserve everything they are going to get!" I don't follow it all, which hearing?

@St-Sinner I don't know what the answers are. It's like the issue that was playing out yesterday with the questioning of Zuckerberg. Truth in political ads. What a concept right? I know they are talking false representation of past or present events but what about extending the line of thought to future promises as well? What about questioning the whole level of dishonesty that is never advertised just like you said, a majority of people wanting certain measures to get past and it NEVER HAPPENING. I don't know. Somewhere that does have to get questioned and challenged.

@Flowerwall the impeachment hearings going on right now, daily...they are gathering testimony from witnesses in a room designated for the purpose in the Capitol building.. About 25 repubs, (senators), forced their way past security guards, all carrying cellphones, which is totally against security regulations, yelled gibberish & used their cells to order pizza (!) which they slung around the room! They were "supporting" drump, I guess in the manner he taught them......

@Flowerwall
I agree with that comparison.

So given that we do not know the answers and candidates do not know the answers, is it not right to not support candidates who have impossible ideas in the current environment like Bernie Sanders and Andrew Yang?.... And instead support who is most pragmatic about delivering some?

We have to be very realistic about whether we are supporting dreaming or actually doing?

@AnneWimsey Yes, I looked it up after you mentioned. What times we live in! But it's never just easy.

@St-Sinner You may be right. I think initially that was my general thought in leaning more towards Mrs. Warren. Time will tell what is to happen.

@St-Sinner Okay I have to just make this last point going back to the political false advertising. I know you are talking about the specific campaign of Mr. Sanders. And then I mentioned the whole facebook issue, but thinking about it just with that situation isn't that something where Facebook and the misleading advertisers are creating a legal liability for themselves? Can't voters turn around and sue? I looked it up to see what types of lawsuits are out there against them and I guess a law firm in Chicago is suing facebook on behalf of the users in the state of Illinois in the Cambridge Analytica scandal. Group in UK had considered as well. This is where lawsuits are called for and very necessary. There has to be legal repercussions to this business practice, right?

Another article which I read states "If there remained any doubt that Facebook’s business practices intentionally compromise users’ privacy and recklessly undermine democratic norms, it was put to rest on Monday...a Tory M.P., had outwitted Facebook’s legal team...the dissemination of propaganda and intentionally divisive content on social media—by unmasking the ways that Facebook, in particular, has facilitated it." If this evidence is out there why are users not SUING? Especially as it relates to our political process and disruption of elections. This is crucial stuff here. You can find people who were exposed to this disinformation then hold the advertisers and the platform legally accountable. There has to be a legal basis.

This is completely off topic of the original idea, I know, I just had to say it. It is not going to be possible to include broken campaign promises in there or anything else out of the scope of being provable but definitely it is something to look at before the election, the feasibility aspect of what politicians say. Put it under scrutiny, so, yes, that is the right way of thinking about it as you were in questioning it.

@St-Sinner you Could go to YouTube & see Bernie telling you all these things, including concrete plans to finance it all, for over 30 years...he is & always has been totally consistent, totally for We the People. Or, you could continue to wallowin ignorance & demand people "behave" according to your old white guy nonsense. Whining is So unattractive, and so is ignorance.

@AnneWimsey
I have watched his videos, his town halls, his rallies, interviews. No, he has not been able to convince voters on his sound funding of the plans. His plan is not viable according to experts. Why debate? Just look at his approval and standing in candidates today after 2 presidential run attempts. Bernie is not doing well. If all you say was true, he would have caught like wild fire. But what I see is the fire going out out of him every time another candidate inches ahead of him who is not promising anything free like Bernie is.

Having a passion for one candidate is one thing but thinking through and accepting the reality of his non-viability is another.

@St-Sinner which "experts" ? haven't seen or heard any., just flapping gums on Faux.....and,just the amount if money sucked down by our military alone would easily pay for all of it, while leaving a reasonable fighting force that could scramble to abandon the Kurds, at short notice, for example......which you or any thinking person well knows! And Bernie is at least 3rd-ranked....AOC did not endorse him because he is losing, ya know.

@AnneWimsey
You blame Fox News and conservatives blame CNN. Who is right?

@St-Sinner actual experts appear on MSNBC & CNN all the time, with their degrees/areas of expertise/job descriptions. (Like former ambassadors, attorney general's, military officers, etc) Faux lets Hannity, et al, flap their gums with opinions.

@AnneWimsey
50% of the nation watches Fox News. It is wrong because you say so? They think CNN is very partisan and a mouth piece of left wingers. Conservative media also brings former ambassadors, attorney general's, military officers. Don't be under the illusion that our side, our children, our gene, our opinions, our education, our skills, our intelligence are better, smarter than the others'. They have been long held perceptions and wrong. No one side is better. We just happen to have different views of issues.

@St-Sinner 50% of the nation proves nothing but that 50% are idiots! Objective analysis clearly shows 70% of what they push as "news" is CRAP.............I prefer actual Facts, myself.

@AnneWimsey
Calling others names who do not agree with you is ignorant to say the least while you have no idea of what they are thinking about you. This is exactly what is happening in Washington. Just hatred. No compromise and agreement on actually doing anything. It is not productive. Why do we expect our representatives to be better than us? That is how we get Hillary, Trump and Bernie. Extremes on both sides and not something we want.

@St-Sinner what name? Fathead? Too bad so sad, after all you persistently state & imply you are the arbiter of "behavior" and my thoughts.....
And who is this "we" kemosabe?
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I don't see that happening. I don't even know if it would be a good thing. Religious institutions are surely imperfect but does their weight exceed their benefit? I think not.

@Flowerwall I'm surprised you asked me that. Institutions grow, adapt, evolve, or are replaced over time; they don't just collapse (unless there's a revolution or an invading army (us) destroys them (Iraq, Libya, etc.).
Besides, I was being somewhat wildly optimistic

Well you are being honest and possibly this is how a lot of people think. You can even understand this thought process among minorities as well wanting to see elected officials of their same identity, but at some point it's very toxic and destructive.

@Flowerwall I DID say, "all things being equal," and immediately qualified that by saying things never are. I, like a lot of people, voted for Obama (even though Hillary MAY have been the better choice, given how he insisted on trying to "work with" his enemies even though all they wanted to do was eat him for lunch).
AND squandered an historic majority in Congress we'll probably never see again. (Knock on wood, I hope I'm wrong).

@Storm1752 I am trying to understand the criticisms of Obama more fully. What you mentioned, the slow economic growth, what are the others? What are the main issues that people try to fault him for?

@Flowerwall I loved Obama, still do. Everybody makes mistakes. Two things come to mind: his handling of the "Arab Spring," and I PERSONALLY think he should've gone for universal health care right out the gate, OR pick other, more winnable fights.
Maybe Obamacare will be resuscitated down the line...I doubt it, we'll see.
As it was, his enemies dragged down his administration using the ACA as an albatross around his neck.
I think his instincts told him to "compromise," which is fine if the other side is willing to meet you half way.
They are not. Not then, not now, not ever.

@Storm1752 Thanks for that info. I know there are a lot of people out there that criticize Obama and just trying to understand the main points. Thanks