If someone came up to you and said: "Make me a fire and I will bring you wood" what would you tell them?

@Happy_Killbot do I use my cigarette lighter and kindling to get it started first?

@blahblah You have no wood to start a fire with. The point is if you want a fire, you must first collect wood. Same with society. If you want something from society, you have to do something for it first.

@Happy_Killbot I am not wanting anything from society except freedom to enjoy life with out society and other people exposing themselves and their evils upon me.

@Happy_Killbot Now that I got some sleep, I wanted to clarify on this statement if it makes any difference. It is not that I am not social or it is not that I want to be free from any society GENERALLY speaking. If you go back to my original post you see the evils of THIS current world society and maybe you could understand how I have little or no interest, or capabilities of functioning in THIS evil wicked Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers capitalism slave labor society. To fix THIS society is the only plausible or reasonable reason to interact with this society. IF I had a good worldly society to interact with I would love to enjoy brick homes for everyone on Earth. I could be like" here is a nice place, I could build me an educational institution and teach people a bunch of nice tasty knowledge. Where on Earth can any on Earth do this anywhere on Earth free from such Evils as the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers capitalism slave labor society?

Where are ALL human animals FREE to FREELY enjoy the one major thing that seperate human animals from all other known animals: intellectual capabilities. Where is everyone able to truely THINK FREELY, freely able to know any and every thing about anything and everything?

@blahblah AntiFred?

@Happy_Killbot I had a profile name like that once

As I already commented to that, again my thoughts of the actor sounding funny making fun of the homeless.

Not saying illogical atheist cannot help homeless . Illogical atheist pride themselves with having "higher" intellectual capabilities, but for an atheist to debate something they have no knowledge of its existance is illogical to debate against in the first place which shows a low level of intelligence.

Why should any have to worry about paying taxes?

@blahblah There is nothing illogical about debate, debate is about determination of truth by pitting ideas against each other. If you want to know which team is stronger you put them on a field. If you want to know which boxer is stronger put them in a ring. If you want to know which idea is stronger, give them a debate.

I don't understand what you are trying to say about taxes. Are you saying that no one should pay taxes, or you don't know why taxes exist?

@Happy_Killbot there is good and there is evil. Conflict is evil. Debate is conflict is evil.

Tax is a "religious " thing. And something that is forced.

@blahblah I feel like this could get deeply philosophical very fast.

I disagree with you on all accounts. Sometimes, conflict can help us grow and develop as individuals. Not all conflict arises from malevolence, sometimes it is necessary for survival. Sometimes, conflict is required to stop greater suffering or evil.

When the Allies invaded Europe during WWII and stopped Hitler and his genocide of the Jewish people, were the Allies evil, or was Hitler?

There is nothing religious about taxation. If there is, then you are going to have to explain why secular countries like China, Czech Republic, Estonia, and the Netherlands all of which are majority secular still have taxes.

Paying taxes is in your benefit, because that money gets used on law enforcement and a military that keeps you safe, public infrastructure that allows our society to function, public works projects that benefit so many people in all sorts of ways, and of course research that allows society to progress.

I do think that there are many programs that are unnecessary expenditures that ought to be cut, and other unconstitutional funding that needs to be eliminated.

If you still think that somehow debate and taxes are evil, then it would be hypocritical of you to respond to anyone here who disagrees with you, which at the moment looks like it's the majority.

@Happy_Killbot oxymoron, the good evil. Or evil good. A doctor uses a knife to cut you, it's for good reason. Robber cuts you to take your money. One out come of know cut is goid, other is bad

Either way a knife cut is still a knife cut.

@blahblah Yes, I think you are starting to understand. What you need to know is that good and evil is subjective, meaning that it is personal to everyone. In both cases, the surgeon and the robber is after money. The "good" or "evil" is incidental and a consequence of how they are doing what they do.

Based on this information, how can we determine that the surgeon isn't evil, doing surgery only for money and with no real interest in the well being of their patients, and conversely maybe the robber is good stealing so they can feed their family?

It's all relative, it's all subjective.

@Happy_Killbot yes, but as you analyze it down more finite, you still see the differences of good and evil. The "overview" is more so the relatively subjective. Good is still good, evil is still evil.

Robber fed his family, ok. That's good, but the means to fed his family would be considered evil.

@Happy_Killbot and yes, I understand the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

If I may discuss "Subjective good and evil".

I eat limon, taste good, you eat limon, taste bad(evil). Subjective is relative to the point of the observer. Objectively, a limon taste like a limon, unless, it is a rotten limon. So, subjective goodness is me or you calling it good/bad taste, objective goodness is that would to limon taste objectively like it should (a form of good) or taste rotten(not like it should taste as a "good" condition limon.

Now, do you understand the difference in objective and subjective good and evil?

@Happy_Killbot for simple. subjective good and evil is, from my point of observation or opinion is something good or evil? A LOT to say, do I like something or not.

Objectively good means, it is good because it is what it is suppose to be.

The limon taste like a limon because it is not rotten or otherwise altered in taste. Objectively tastes like it should, it taste like a limon no opinions needed.

@Happy_Killbot ok, maybe one more example, and I'll leave it alone. I hand you limon to taste, you do and I ask. Taste good? You say No. I ask, objectively bad taste or subjective bad taste. You say, objectively bad taste meaning the limon does not taste like the limon should because I put poison in it altering taste and you fall over dead.

@blahblah I think you choose a rather bad example because qualia, or the sensation of consiousness doesn't exist. There is no physical property of matter that is color, sounds, tastes, or smell. These are all subjective, and in your head.

Lets reuse the example of the holocaust. To Hitler, racial purification was good because he thought the Jews were evil. To the Jews and the Allies, Hitler was evil. All of these things are true, therefore there is no objective morality and good and evil are subjective.

This conversation has drifted a bit too far from the original subject. I still don't understand your ideas here.

@Happy_Killbot color is intrinsic to light. Taste is chemical react6recognition.

@Happy_Killbot you are conflating a little on some ideals. , Good and evil can be subjective. I just explained how objective good words. A limon that taste like a limon should is objectively a good tasting limon for the purpose of how a limon is supposed to taste.

@blahblah I'm about to blow your mind. Behold science!

@Happy_Killbot it is complicated, could be interesting to draw out what I would call an analysis tree of good and evil pertaining to your Hitler/Jews morality statement.

In the basic defination of morality there is the "OR" word. So, you would have to analyze like a computer gate for "or" word differences.

Morality - principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.

There is a difference in "right and wrong" behavior and "good and evil" behavior.

It is complicated. And yes, a lot of opinion, opinion is what is making the subjective.

@Happy_Killbot got part of video but must go for a few, get back to it in a few. But for now my thoughts, the wave length let's say for "red" hits the eye and every time THAT wave length hits the eye, the eye sends the same signal to indicate the same color and basically only that color that is at that frequency. Change frequency and the color message to brain changes. .... get back later

@blahblah That's not true. There are some people, myself included that see different colors in each eye. When I look at an object through my right eye, I tend to see more blue and everything looks darker. When I look through my left eye I see more red and everything looks brighter. It's actually very common.

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@Happy_Killbot interesting light video. 25 years since I have had high school physics and never able to finish college engineering physics. So, call it conseed if you want on the light topic, but for now I just won't try to dig deep into it for now.

@Happy_Killbot would say, I remember from a while back I had a duscussion with @themiddleway on a topic I made up "Jesus was a photon". Don't remember all of it now but liked the discussion well enough and he would seem to be rather up to date on the education of that light in the brain topic.

I know, saterical stuff isn't much liked by those it makes fun of pointing out their evil

Maybe more appropriate as a rant, but intended to be a satare. Not claiming professional satarest.

I think the humor of the satire was in my thoughts of how the actor was making fun of the homeless.

@blahblah Your idea is flawed at its core -- the plight of the homeless isn't funny. Even if you dress your reporter in a banana costume and he gives his report in a munchkin voice it still won't be funny. The comcept has to be funny for it to work.

If you have no gift for satire, don't try to write it.Play to your strenghts and do it as something you're good at.

@Sgt_Spanky yes, I know I am technically homeless. Maybe just a sarcasm? Someone suggested irony.

@Sgt_Spanky and, interesting no one picks up on the plight of that part of my ancestry that has been in these lands for 1000s of years prior to the European invasion of 1492 and the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers freedom of England July 4th, 1776.

@blahblah If your goal is to make fun of the homeless then be creative about it. Do it as a game show that pays a grand prize of $20 or a WWE style of combat where homeless people mudwrestle for a McDonalds Happy Meal. Something like that. Just having somone stand there and spew shit at them isn't funny.

@Sgt_Spanky Making fun of homeless is not the purpose. The "actor" is making fun of the homeless as an antagonist that I would be trying to make it appear Funny actually laughing at the "actor" for his "stupid " evilness of making fun of the homeless. Maybe I explained that right.

@Sgt_Spanky The statements I used for the actor to speak are but like sample, example reasons why people are homeless and the original indigenous inhabitants are raped and oppressed of their land, because of those evils that the actor is speaking of.

@Sgt_Spanky I think about Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshipper terrorist Benjamin Franklin and his essay "Remarks Concerning the Savages of North America". Benjamin is sort of telling off on himself and his Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers invasion in the essay questioning who really is the savages of North America.

So this "Actor" is making fun of the homeless and indigenous Yet, telling off on himself and to say who are those that are really deserving of the ridicule?

I find that much of the Evils of the world, people seem to think and support these evils ad if they are something good. Is that irony for people to support and like such evil things as if they were good?

Technically homeless now, not specifically under a bridge right now. But have been at a time or 2.