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I don't think there is evidence of conscious awareness outside of a developed brain. My guess is that thinking is internal "self-talk" done with language, and that language requires complex brain functions. Language can be verbal or visual, but either way it seems to me to be a function of complex brain activity. What do you think?

GarytheGondolier 6 Nov 10
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think of awareness as the light of day. it's actually just a field, but we base our entire internal construct on visualizing the reality around us so the light of day is a good example and apt.

anyway ... each neuron emits a spot of light as it fires. each spot of light is a moment of awareness, no matter how slight. the depth and clarity of that awareness if based on how many such spots of light we cause and the internal knowledge we have to apply it. don't think of learning as adding knowledge. think of it as cleaning off the windshield of your car as you're trying to drive. neurons firing makes your light brighter. we start off in a completely pitch black cave and each neuron firing is a slight glow of awareness like a tiny candle in that darkness.

awareness if just pure knowledge. walk out in the middle of your front yard on a clear day and look around you. this is what you know. this is your little globe of awareness. your globe gets bigger and more clear (less snowy) as you gain knowledge and have more light (neurons firing).

we aren't "just creatures of this body waiting to die". far from it. we are like helium-filled balloons tied to the ground yearning to bust free and explode into total awareness. but we're limited by this skin and these limited perceptions. once we rid ourselves of this mass then we are everywhere at once. bereft of mass light goes everywhere. that's why the speed of light is constant no matter how fast we are moving relative to it. it is not bound by time because it has no mass (Einstein) thus when it propagates it fills to entire container (quantum existence)instantaneously like a gas. the 186,000 mps is OUR perceptual limitation. our perceptual constant. light is just instantaneous. and awareness is the same.

as for your "proof". much like gravity in quantum space you can't measure awareness in newtonian space. for our "measurements" we stop a sliver in time ... but awareness doesn't exist in time. it's based on the passage of time in total. it's like in calculus when you find a delta. it's the accumulation of light from moment to moment and in total - not an individual sliver. it has no mass so you can't measure it. we measure light in ergs which is a unit of work (ergs over a distance or over a period). in a still instant it has no value. same with awareness.

doesn't matter really. we're all going to the same "place" no matter what you believe. once this body passes we become pure awareness again.

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I don’t see how the firing of neurons could possibly lead to conscious awareness, no matter how many neurons are firing or in what order or pattern. No one has satisfactorily explained how such a thing could happen so far as I know.

I lean toward thinking that consciousness is a primary quality of reality.

Edwin Schrodinger:

“Consciousness cannot be accounted for in physical terms. For consciousness is absolutely fundamental. It cannot be accounted for in terms of anything else.”

@JeffMesser Thanks Jeff. It’s an interesting video. I also read about the Orch Or theory in Wikipedia, but I am not able to understand much of it . I picked out this:

“It (Orch Or) proposes that when condensates in the brain undergo an objective wave function reduction, their collapse connects noncomputational decision-making to experiences embedded in spacetime's fundamental geometry. The theory further proposes that the microtubules both influence and are influenced by the conventional activity at the synapses between neurons.”

Note that behind it all are experiences embedded in spacetime’s fundamental geometry. If I am reading that correctly it is proposed that intelligence is part of the universe and that our brains are able to interact with that universal consciousness or intelligence.

@WilliamFleming yeah he's saying he doesn't know the exact mechanism, just like the buddhists, but the laws of math and physics that we deduce all are used inside our heads to decipher and interpret the probabilities and other discrete information offered through our senses and the field of existence around us. every day I become more and more convinced that the reality surrounding us is more akin to the "code reality" like you see in the matrix movies as opposed to what we create in our minds. what's even more interesting is that not only are our minds interacting with the probabilities and information ... but our nervous system does as well. Once we allow for the idea that the physical world we think exists does not and its' all in our minds - then so many unexplained exceptions to our "established scientific dogma" begin to fit into our narrative of reality more easily. So now I am having to go back and reconsider my position on things such as shakras and eastern views on medicine.

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I largely agree, Gary, but how would we recognize evidence of conscious awareness (CA).
Species besides H. sapiens have CA. Empathy surely requires CA. Reacting to images of themselves in mirrors does, as does devising tools and learning new uses for them.

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I don't. It gives me a headache and keeps me from things I would rather be doing.

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