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Question- What happened before the big bang:
This question gives me headaches , although I do not believe in any god that has been associated with religion , objectively speaking the theory of a creator is just as possible as any other theory since we have no scientific data or proof of what happened before the big bang ,did particles smash together , was our universe the result of the demise of another universe , or was there a creator , and if any of those are true , where did they come from , this to me is lifes greatest mystery.

alexandgeddy2112 3 Nov 19
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This is a stupid question based upon the false assumption of creationism equal to the unknown....the big bang theory is based upon an observed expanding universe, the cosmology of star formations and black holes... matter possibly collapsing in upon itself by intense gravity of unmeasureable force....all "creators" are religious inventions created by rapist violent shamans long before recorded languages....ultimately your question is the trap of circular reasoning....who created your creator ? Matter and energy can neither be created or destroyed while pathetic bragging for a bigger boogeyman is the history of faith = ENEMY OF KNOWLEDGE

@alexandgeddy2112 do you have a clue how you are inventing a circular argument....? 2 stupid assumptions here....1 there is no need to assume a beginning 2 you assume a creator can be forever in existence to create a beginning ....it is 100% logical to assume matter has always existed and energy is a property within matter.... it is zero % logical to believe a personality larger than the universe and older than 13.7 billion years old "created" what we observe and measure....it's impossible to be objective about a non-existent object assumed to be a creator

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BTW, Hubble’s two hypotheses illustrate Big Bang cosmologists’ lack of concern for evidence.

Doppler shifts are a result of sound from a moving source. Without evidence, cosmologists conclude that light from a moving source behaves similarly. For what it’s worth, sound is a longitudinal wave and light is a transverse wave.

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@alexandgeddy2112 We do not have pretty good evidence of a begining to the Universe approx 13.7 billion years ago. We have only Georges LeMaitre’s mathematical attempt to support the Genesis story.

Edwin Hubble hypothesized two universes, the first of them expanding. He summarized his hypotheses in the 1937 Royal Astronomical Society Monthly Notices:

“If the red shifts are a Doppler shift . . . the observations as they stand lead to the anomaly of a closed universe, curiously small and dense, and, it may be added, suspiciously young.

“On the other hand, if red shifts are not Doppler effects, these anomalies disappear and the region observed appears as a small, homogeneous, but insignificant portion of a universe extended indefinitely in both space and time.“

From Hubble’s expansion hypothesis, LeMaitre wrote equations with time the independent variable. He ran time backwards, giving the Vatican support for Genesis and America’s fundamentalist xians a response to Darwin. Many astronomers disagreed, but wanted to do astronomy. They did not want a political fight with America’s xians.

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Though all they can say is “We don’t know”, don’t ask that question.

Instead, demand evidence for the bb. Until they produce evidence the bb is pseudoscience. End the discussion, or change its subject.

@alexandgeddy2112 wrong wrong wrong....the theory of immense gravitational forces imploding upon itself THEN exploding outward from an assumed SINGULARITY is not a beginning but is assumed to be an event calculated 13.7 billion years ago....it could be older could be younger but does not imply religious concepts of creation at work

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Every creator needs to be created, so ascribing existance to a creater only answeres the question of creation to the simple minded.

1of5 Level 8 Nov 19, 2019

@alexandgeddy2112 and you misunderstand mine. It isn't as good a concept because it doesn't address actual creation itself - only what this creator has let us see. So as an alternate it actually isn't as good as any other, it adds a layer of mystery and uncertainty instead of clarifying.

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I advocate not using the 'everyday' usage of "theory" to avoid falling into the "evolution is just a theory" trap : [nas.edu]

I think most cosmologists would say "we don't yet know" or "the LHC can't yet determine" what came before the Big Bang.

Here is another view :

[livescience.com]

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