A family member of mine is now into Hinduism. I have been an atheist since I was 15. Stephen Hawking was a big inspiration to me, along with George Carlin and Richard Dawkins. I do not have any interest entertaining the idea that there are invisible gods. I just listen to her and ask questions. I have already told her that every religion is man made and that I do not believe in any of it. I have read that Hinduism isn't as harmful/bad though, compared to other religions. Is this true? What do you know about Hinduism?
I was raised Hindu. not violent - very peaceful! (peaceful brainwashing too) but if you wish to be in a trance for most of your life, just doing rituals and mantras (and believing in every deity there is) and not face reality - then go hinduism is all i can say. Everyday is new thing - whatever ever suits them. Look at India, their religion is keeping them back from prospering!!!!!! keeping them back from going forward no matter how intelligent they are. It's an illness and a curse!!!!
..and a waste of money on all the offerings in the temple (poor Indian people in India make sacrifices for these offerings) including enriching the priests. As far as I am concerned it is all fancy shit!
Jews and whites and other's in south africa also going fancy with that now - all fancy crap! these wealthy housewives have nothing better to do with their past times. Tell them to go do some charity instead. That's useful and gives me pleasure.
It is not true that Hinduism is not harmful. I am intimately familiar with it. I was born into a Brahmin family and by birth we are intimate with the religious learning, manuscripts, Sanskrit chores etc. That Brahmin class has the duty to take care of deities, temples, chores and customs. I did all that as a child but my mother made sure I was separated from it quickly.
It is true that Hinduism has not done religious crusades or attacked people to convert. It is not because they were nice but for these two reasons:
What Hinduism is in practice today on the ground, what has become of it, what customs, superstitions they practice and how they treat own and other people - all is horrific. It is full of primitive and inhumane beliefs, customs, chores and traditions.
The problem is that we always find things overseas in ancient cultures sexy. The grass is green on the other side. The Beatles did it, Steve Jobs did it, Eat, Pray, Love sold copies. Bhagwan Rajneesh aka Osha developed a huge commune in Oregon and received 14 luxury Mercedes cars from disciples. Indian religious "gurus" often come here and go to Europe to spread their following. A woman in Texas told me once she is a seeker. I immediately knew what she had fallen for. Another told me she loves AOL (the Art of Living). I realize that these gurus find a lot of suckers who are frustrated at home and are looking for something far away and mystical.
Trust me. Hinduism is very destructive from inside. It will take you back thousands of years.
India today is the most dangerous country for women in the world, yes, the most... above Somalia, Afghanistan and Congo. A woman from a lower (untouchable class) who was raped by a politician a few years ago was going to a court for a testimony and was burned alive "today" right in the main street in front hundreds of people. The Indian news is covering in small print, BBC has the news here [bbc.com]
There is nothing good about it.
Gosh, what an education. Thanks for sharing, but that article was too horrific for me to read to the end, how awful that people could do such a thing.
But there is victim blaming in most cultures I find, helping people distance themselves from others in order to carry on oblivious; but to that extent? I cannot imagine treating another animal in such a way
@Aurora62 Thanks. I would stay away from every single God-man that comes from India and starts giving the nectar of his or Hindu philosophy to Western audiences... which is never free.
The graphics below say... "Throw these assholes in prison after pulling them out in the streets and beating them into pulp"... Sorry, it is how the street justice works there. Not much hope from the judicial system which are all crony to the powerful and connected.
@girlwithsmiles Victim blaming is common in all societies but what is special in those primitive societies in "punishing the victim". The case of the girl is an example. One of my nieces, the prettiest among all was acid on her on her way from high school... just because she did not respond to the cat calls by a politicians son on a street corner. I know these experiences intimately and am still angry about what they believe in and what they do.
@St-Sinner my friend visited India recently, I was worried for her, but didn’t really know why. Now I know why. But on her return I found out she was in a tour group. I’m glad she was. I had another friend go and stay in a meditation place and she got ripped of financially; but that was probably 40 years ago now! But I don’t want to be too biased, I work with some lovely people who are first generation Brits.
@girlwithsmiles If you do not know someone in India who you can trust and who can guide, escort you... my advice is don't go. If anyone has a positive experience, I am telling you... They were just lucky.
I remember rwhen I was in high school, back in the '50s, a teacher explaining Hinduism in a religion class. He told us about the caste system: the brahmins were the top of the tootum pole and the untoucables the bottom -- and if an untouchable even touched a the latter, he'd have to wash himself for six hours.
"That's fine" I told him typical Brooklyn bravura, I'll be a Brahjmin and you be an untouchable.
@St.Sinner and their religion instills passive idiocy too, they're pushovers, hence all this invasion.
@Aurora62 the best machine we have is education. There are no shortage of intelligent Indians, they must reach the masses. Hinduism can be seen for what it is, just as Christianity is by many today. Eventually the temples will close as are the churches. Do you notice how this starts and spreads from the areas with the largest number of higher educated people?
@Bilbobagins You said it accurately.
Being raised around and amongst them, here's my little contribution. The mythology bears a close resemblance to Greek, Egyptian mythologies where there is no apex entity as such and Gods are known by their tasks / powers. Hinduism by itself portrays many instances of divine polygamy (just one for polyandrea) however most Hindus that I know of practice monogamy. There is a huge emphasis to rituals as a method of appeasing the respective dirty with rituals being vastly different according to diety. Unlike popular understanding, the religion is not based around a single book but draws quite a few of its ideals from multiple books.
Like most other religions, Hinduism also reinforces patriarchy, with distinct demarcation of tasks that a female shall / can not perform. It also attempts to weigh a person's actions in terms of 'punya' or good deeds versus 'paap' or sins to encourage certain behavior amongst followers which reinforces the religion. Like any other religion it promotes blind faith by expecting one to trust in the divine if they have been an abiding follower.
All in all, another variant of oppressive and whimsical ideals.
Google "sati" or the act of burning your wife with your husband. Although this "practice" is outdated, it still happens in rural areas, as do child bride marriages. A woman in Hinduism is less than her husband who is according to scripture a symbol of God therefore she must obey him. Another great thing about Hinduism is the caste system....now a lot of Hindus will say their government is secular and banned the caste system but that doesn't stop it from happening in India/ UK or the US, I met a number of people who were born and raised in Cali but still weren't allowed to marry their BF/GF cause they weren't from the same caste. If you're not Brahman "the god head" you're truly a waste of time. Of course this is more so the scripture that majority of Hindus don't practice but it doesn't mean the Hindu nationalists don't! Hindus kill Muslims in India, Muslims kill Hindus...no religion is peaceful. Regardless of it being reformed....to know that a religion has to be reformed since it lies in such barbaric practices (as do all fundamentals of all religion) makes you wonder...if a religion has to be reformed...is it worth following? No. But then again pick any religion and a woman's place in it will always be 2nd...also the Kamasutra was a book written for Kings on how to treat their wives and concubines, the sex portion is truly just one chapter of the actual book...its written predominately to pleasure the male...as usual.
Is it sati or seti?
@drkhannabis - yip just more holy CRAP. All to suit a few and fuck the rest. CASTE SHIT!!!!! the inferior ones brought the caste shit into that society. ...and they're racist amongst their own kind too, if you're darker skinned, you're looked at as inferior, yip right. I think the Western influenced left that behind, but regardless, they're a fucking twisted bunch.
@t1nick Hi there! It's Sati...according to google lol
Very well put...
Hinduism is used to justify the caste system in India. You tell me if it is "not as bad" or not.
Not good in any way
I spent 26 years living in Santa Fe, NM, and grew up just outside of Boulder, CO. Both are big centers of Hinduism and Buddhism. No so much by Native Hindus or Buddhists, but by anglos who have adopted these beliefs for various and assundry reasons.
When I got married, my wife-to'be asked me to write our vows. I was an anthropologist and a teacher in the Native American community. We had friends in the Christian community, wife to be was Jewish, had friends in the hindu community, the moslem community, the South American shamanistic community, and of course the Native American community. It goes without saying, I included all of them. Lol
We had a Christian prayer, a moslem prayer, a jewish prayer, the giving of Native tobacco, a hindu song, a quan lin buddhist statue, and a shaman minister. All done by friends of both of us. My wife-to-be loved it. my family was aghast. Lol.
I think we could do well to follow the ways and teachings of many of our indigenous First Nations. Not all of course, for they had their idol worship and warfare too. Complete with human sacrifice as did all peoples world wide. But their reverence for life, all life, respect for others, elders, communal living (in the sense of looking out for and caring), these ways.
Hinduism has a really beautifully rich pantheon of mythology, I love the art and the myths in the same way I love Norse, Egyptian, and Greek myths. They can all be read like fables, enjoyed as morality tales or stories about humanity. The religions with large pantheons of gods have lots of human flaws that are recognized and celebrated unlike the Monotheistic attempt to paint god as perfect, despite his obvious shared flaws. The main value of Hinduism is that it was reformed into a secular philosophy by Siddartha/Buddha in a similar way to what Jesus did for reforming Judaism (or presumably attempted to if there’s any chance at all he existed, it didn’t work out too well and now Christians are even worse off as for superstitious deification nonsense). Buddhism, yoga, martial arts, the Kama sutra, and ayervedic medicine all originate from India’s Hindu tradition, and anything that produced that many pearls of ancient wisdom that are still so effective in modern times can’t be all bad. You’ve really gotta take the shit about their gods figuratively though or you’re just gonna be another theistic jackass.
I really didn’t think anyone in this day and age literally believed in the Hindu pantheon, aside from a handful of really old school “fundamentalists” in India who were raised in it. This is certainly the first case I’ve heard of a westerner converting to it and interpreting it literally. Like most religions, it was never meant to be interpreted literally, it’s easily perverted if you do, but has some valuable lessons if you study it with that realization in mind. I would avoid the topic/person altogether if they’re being super annoying about their newfound enthusiasm, but if you’re interested in/otherwise compelled to discuss the religion philosophically with them, Id focus on the philosophical nuances. listen to some Alan Watts talks on it, read some of the bagavad Gita, and talk to them about how drastically different the eastern cosmologies are from western. There’s some good stuff in there, but this person is getting caught up on the superstitious aspects it sounds like.
You mention Ayurveda, yoga etc. as gifts of Hinduism however it's more to do with the culture. The practice of these actually has a lot more to do with people living in a certain region who developed and fostered it and most certainly not a result of the religion they practice. The reason why such a notion may exist is because majority of the practitioners were also followers of Hinduism.
LOL, You have some romantic view.
@DSGavde which swami do you work for? You seem to be marketing Hinduism hard. None of the things you said is true. None is practiced the way you described. Can you explain to people what Manusmriti is about and what it says what Brahmins should do about women and untouchables? Or you are here to give a rosy picture?
@St-Sinner If I cite that certain behaviour is exhibited by a species of monkeys dwelling in the same region practicing Hinduism, I think my point would get through to you. All that my previous comment tries to say is Hinduism DOES NOT get the credit for anything. What else the Hindus do or don't wasn't included. I wouldn't market Hinduism even if you or anyone else paid me for it. I think we both would agree that there's a lot to loathe in Hinduism alongwith the caste system. There's multiple books that propagate the Hinduism madness and I'd rather read something sensible.
@DSGavde
Please read what you wrote above. You are giving a rosy, romantic and sound view of Hinduism which is ignoring what it means to even priests, religious heads and millions of practicing Hindus. You are contributing to the myths and covers for atrocities, ills of the faith for thousands of years. I don't think we are having an academic or scholarly discussion here about what good it does and what good you see. We are talking about is real life effects, what it means to people practicing it. How are you helping telling the truth?
@wurlitzer you sound like a poet and you know it.
Flowery poetry. You're sugar coating religion. You're making excuses for mild forms of abuse and mind-blowing brainwashing. The real effects is that this religion makes you poor-er and still is a religion after all. You don't have to born into it to know it.
It's just another hokey religion. I know it's Asian in origin and grew wildly until it overtook Buddhism. They believe in reincarnation and their gods include Vishnu and Shiva among lots more.That's about all I know and it's still enough for me to reject it.
@Sgt_Spanky buddhism is an offset of hinduism.
Not much, they throw good parties and have some great god legends.
Hinduism and Buddism are two different things. She likely is practicing Buddism.
Buddism follows the idea of reincarnation. Reincarnation is shown not to be true by the population graph.
Just like any religion, Buddism has it's good points. If followed, Buddists will follow the 8 fold path. For the most part this path is a good thing to follow. For example, if you follow these 8 guidelines you will not murder and you will select employment which does not conflict with your conscience. Which, in a way, means if everyone was to follow it there wouldn't be any attorneys or soldiers.
The only real bad one of the 8 steps to enlightenment, is the first one. It is considered to be the most important. It is referred to as true vision. Basically it says to avoid the Sins of attachment. This means to let go of the things which hold you to this world. Because, if you are attached to this world you can not be fully enlightened. This not reaching Nirvana and suffering through the pain of rebirth. Sins of attachment includes things like wealth, but also can include the fear of losing the ones you love.
Likely, if she is looking into Buddism, it is the lessor of evils. The good thing is she has questioned and is questioning the idea of sky farries. She is also likely afraid of her mortality and the ones she loves.
Buddhism is not lesser of two evils... lol.... Just visit the place where it is practiced the most.. in India. It has all the ills of Hinduism. That is what I am talking about. Western societies seem to have romantic ideas about Eastern philosophies.
I don’t think the first one was bad, because sooner or later you are going to have to let go of all you have.. many widows and widowers were forced to let go of their loved ones too soon. They had to cope, change or go themselves. The same goes with any and all of your possessions. Not to many on their deathbed are listing all the things they want to be buried with them.
I kinda agree with you. The first one IMO isn't bad at all when one looks at it as a way to address fears of loss. Where it takes a bad turn is it being the idea that these sins of attachment are what keep a person living in a realm of reincarnation.
There are several good international news sources if youd like to read about all the ways various religions slauggter eachother, oppress those around them, and generally suck. BBC and Al-Jazeera both have good international coverage, and don't have a paywall.
I think I might find other things to talk about at family gatherings, or in fact anywhere.
I don’t really know a lot about Hinduism, apart from knowing that it has a multiplicity of deities, but others have spoken in detail about it below. What I did want to say was, whatever your family member “is now into”, and that indicates to me that she may have flirted with other religious belief systems, you should listen and ask questions to understand why she is being drawn to it, just as you seem already to be doing. It sounds like she may just be trying to find something to believe in because she hasn’t got the answers she’s looking for in other faiths. I think all you can do is emphasise that what she needs to do is look for evidence that any of these deities and rituals associated with Hinduism have any real basis in reality. If she continues to be drawn to this religion, I suppose you just have to respect that it’s her choice and understand that it is fulfilling some need in her.
This is why I strongly believe in freedom of religion, in that one should be able to freely switch between religions and take their own path to the truth. This also means eventually choosing no religion and maturing to the point when one can accept reality as it is.
Your friend is not at that point, so irs probably best to cautiously support her in her choice and not antagonize her to the point where she will stick with a religion just to spite you.
The best thing to do is what you are already doing: just ask questions. Ask her what she's learned, how it has helped her, satisfied her mental needs. To me I'm very curious how religion satisfies a person because it has never satisfied me. It's like people who like beer or wine, those are totally disgusting to my tastebuds but I'm fascinated by how there are a lot of people who absolutely love it...and I engage in conversation to understand what exactly they get out of it. In this context, you can certainly express how religion disatisfies you, and maybe she will identify better if she is really satisfied with the religion.
More often than not the novelty wears off and the same problems and thoughts come back. Time to find something new to believe in.
The important thing is to let her know if someone is exploiting the religion to harm her, like joining a monastary or long distance travel to isolated place, giving the clergy her bank account number, or forbidding commuication.
This is today's fresh news. A dancer hired in a wedding party just paused her dance and she was shot for taking the pause. It will shock you but won't most in India = [bbc.com]
Here is how people are celebrating the judicial killing of the four suspects of the rape and murder of a young women vet under a lonely bridge in South India. People who have been so sickened and angry about the government inaction, backdoor escape from justice to the rich, powerful and the connected that justice is hardly done for the atrocities on the common people. People are very happy about the judicial killing and are dancing with the police and distributing sweets. The corrupt central ruling party is watching in awe [twitter.com]
Inviting dancing girls is very common in birthday, wedding, other parties and hugely popular in political rallies. Voters won't even attend unless there is a dance. Here is an example of a rally of the ruling party BJP. All dances are the same, girls making erotic, obscene to some hip, crotch break moves. All dances are the same. The dancer must do an erotic dance village style. For men, it is an aphrodisiac before going home... lol... . Notice the women on the stage, one of them is a candidate for the parliament.
Now who wants to visit the new Hindu India?
I agree. I like Buddhism and Stoicism as much as any as guides to live by. Neither are religions purce. If one truly believes in evolution then I don’t see how you can believe in any religion. That’s where it starts with me. And I can see how all things evolve. Including our beliefs and political systems. Etc.
Buddhism is not as bad is incorrect. Buddhism is a way of life is a myth, just like Hinduism is made out to be. I can write pages about it. The versions of Westernized Buddhism is not what is practiced right where it spread... in and around Bodhigaya in India. It is full of superstitions, customs, restrictive atrocious traditions, senseless chores and outdated requirements. You can make the same argument about Westernized versions of Hinduism, Jainism, Taoism etc.
What I know is that it is another religion. It is another "ism." I'm not sure why people keep insisting "there still could be a god" as if they think they are missing out on something or maybe they have on the wrong clothes. I might also be a monkey's uncle, - but maybe not.
Buddhism isn’t advocating belief in any gods. There is no ‘dogma’ you must follow. The Buddha made some rational observations of man in various life stages not so unlike what we see here and everywhere and he made some suggestions on how to live. That’s all originally. These made good sense to many. Of course, like everything man ran with that in every way. Lots of disputing leading to warfare.