I figured it out. To win the war with religion all we have to do is show religious fanatics that when taking the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist the little round piece of bread isn't really an actual living person. By the miracle of transubstantiation they believe it's Jesus himself.
So It shouldn't be too hard. It's just a round piece of bread! It doesn't move, breathe, talk, eat. It doesn't do shit -- Not a fuckin' thing. After they stare at it a couple of hours I'm sure they'll see the truth.
I'm sure they won't see the truth. I was raised a Catholic. We believed it even without any understanding of the philosophical notions of substance and accident that was used as an intellectual underpinning of the transformation of the bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ.
PZ Myers in his collection of essays "The Happy Atheist",devoted a chapter about how upset Catholics were when he and others obtained a consecrated biscuits. Craziness ensued,threats of violence etc.
There are purported stories that when nails were driven into these crackers,blood came out. Witnesses? These are apparently a big deal to the believers.
Now a related story. My father was an altar boy back in Hungary (not his idea),and being a big practical joker managed to get a cockroach into the chalice for the priest to find at mass. He regarded that as one of his better ones.
My religious roommate has a rebuttal :
You are not qualified to solve that problem , you should be working on getting qualified and even then he will still ignore your solution.
Congratulations on taking all credit on that figuring. Some people waste their whole life coming to conclusions worth jumping to.
Hahaha! These are the people that believe in immaculate conception, water turning into wine, 600 year old men that are alive, a 3-day-dead-man returning to life rather than decomposing, and all sorts of other fantastical shit they've managed to "logic" away in hopes they'll be good enough to have a family reunion in some paradise in the sky post mortem.
Turning bread into flesh is just all part of the delusion.
I believe that in the Protestant denominations the wafer disc (bread) is only representative of the body of Christ ...the wine represents the blood of course, and nobody actually thinks that they are cannibalising the body of Jesus. Do Catholics really believe that they are actually eating the flesh of Christ...I doubt many do, even if that is officially what, by the miracle of substantiation, the church claims it is. I doubt any battles against religion will be won on these grounds...compared to some of the other nonsense that they believe this seems pretty trivial.
That’s just Catholics and you can’t lay that at the door of religion.
Why is it a war? That implies changing one set of ‘correct’ values for another set of ‘correct’ values.
Surely there is enough going on at the moment to not give a shit what anyone else believes!
When I used to go to Sunday School, one story they often told us was about the skeptic who took a little wine from the communion cup, took it to his lab, and looked at it through a microscope to see if it really changed to blood during the mass. He saw blood cells under the microscope, then was struck blind for two weeks because he doubted God.
Another story I heard was from a Sunday School teacher who spied a piece of bread blessed during the mass (they hand out the leftovers after communion) on the floor, and it momentarily changed into a crying baby.
Problem is of course even a majority of catholics don't believe it, if they did the pews would be running with vomit.
However, they choose to play along with the game and pretend they believe it so as not to rock the boat.
People indoctrinated in to religion have no problem simultaneously believing it is perfectly fine to lie through your teeth and still preach the ninth commandment