Obama's "love" for Bernie was nothing but lip service. They despise Bernie. Obama pulled all the strings and used all the influence available to him to avoid a Bernie victory. If they cared at all for Bernie and, more importantly, the policies he stands for, they would adopt med4all and some of those other popular policies into the Biden agenda but they won't because they are not a party that represents working people. They are a party of, for, and by the wealthy donors and special interests.

@RoboGraham troll

@DevilMayCare

Yes, yes, the troll accusation. The lazy way to dismiss someone you disagree with when you are not able to counter their assertions with logic and reason.

You know, calling people troll is becoming so overused, it really just makes the person throwing out the troll word look like a coward.

Would you like to debate this, or are you a coward who will hide behind the lazy sleazy tactic of dismissing the other person with a troll accusation?

I’ll assume he went to a good place, but was too impatient to finish. I trust Obama.

Regarding the troll - good catch, and response. It has either a serious personality disorder, is being paid to haunt this site, or a Republican in disguise.. I’ve attempted to explain things to it ...ad nauseam.. It either can’t, or won’t ‘get it.’

Honestly, I hope a serious eye is being kept on it -- what brings us together here is in direct danger if it’s wishes come true … and we’ve another four years of ..Hell

@Varn

You want to keep an eye on me? Kinda creepy Varn.

Obama has said on many public occasion that he is a Reagan Republican, or at least his policies are that of...Same Difference.

He privatized the oceans and allowed for the disruption of several industries to consolidate the resources for select elites. He looks good on paper because he always says the right thing and he inherited a mess. The way he fixed it would have fixed itself that way naturally. He took the teeth out of Dodd Frank that would have restored safeguards we clearly need and he never did get that jobs bill passed or the bill that would have prohibited companies from abusing their salaried workers.

Never ever champion a politician. You must only ever criticize. That's how you keep them working for the society and not their own class of elites. Did Obama do some good, yes. He sure did. But not enough to immortalize him.

And I think you owe Robo an apology for not reading his post and either engaging in a meaningful way or acknowledging that he made a valid point. You could have simply asked him to back it up...
That goes for Varn, too. Name calling is bullying, no matter how veiled. If you can't argue with thoughts and ideas, YOU are the danger to society.

@Varn i guess, i never thought about imposter,. good point. i do get occasional, overly loaded, comments. and, macho jerks with issues of entitlement. like i "owe" anybody anything. when people like that try to start an argument. or whine that you don't counter their points, when they don't even acknowledge your own points. i give them a rope to hang themselves, with some stupid comeback, then block them. i'm an avid blocker. who has time for that nonsense. thanks for being cool. cheers

@Bobby9
Ok, that is a line preached by the Radical Right to misinform and keep you ignorant.
A republic and a democracy are not contradictions, nor two sides of the same coin.
A Republic simply means a Nation State ruled by Committee of people from that society. Re- Public translated in Latin means just that. As opposed to a king (sole individual making all decisions) or Parliament (other type of committee)
A Democracy simply means they will take peoples opinions into account and their policies will reflect the will of the people. You can be a direct Democracy where everyone votes on every thing or, like ours, one where we vote for the committee and they are tasked with making the decisions on our behalf.

But China's communist government is a Republic and so was the USSR's. Other countries that are republics all have different forms of governance. So your assumption that a Republic is a type of governance is simply incorrect. It is the term used to describe who makes up the government, not how they rule.

@Bobby9
Again, the constitution uses both words and never to contradict itself. I would suggest reading all of it in depth and not casually. There's a lot there and reading it half-assed is like reading 30% of a book. You'd be foolish to think you can know more than someone else who's read the entire book, and more than once.

Your other points were already explained in my OP. We are not a direct democracy. Nobody ever was except Ancient Greece. Our structure for governance is complex and we are a republic. That's why we can also put Socialist Safety Nets in place, like we had for 40 years, and still not be socialists. But we are a Democracy and anyone who chooses a semantic argument using obsolete definitions and rejecting the current Geo-Political Glossary of Terms is a radical. Like you.

@Bobby9
You just exposed yourself for the liar you are. Lawyers do not need to read the constitution, not even in Law School except for those going into Constitutional Law and some 1st year students of some schools, and then not even the whole thing, usually. They may read bits and pieces relative to work they are doing, but reading the whole thing is not required nor common practice. I am not a lawyer, but I know many and NONE of them read it, had to read it, or care anything about it to do their job. You implied you obviously study it because you claim to be a lawyer. But if you were, you'd know that.

I know the Radical Right has problems with words, specifically the lack of using one to somehow change the meaning of what they are doing. Like, I can go kill someone as long as I don't call it Murder. Then I am not guilty of the crime. Someone else says "Yeah, but your action defines the word Murder and its illegal". I respond, "no, no, no, I never said ANYTHING about Murder....", guess what, I'm heading to prison, guilty of murder. And a radical is anyone who is not mainstream, by far. Not slightly left or right (moderates) but far left and far right. You are far right, talking about Federalist Papers (refering to a Direct Democracy to let citizens know they won't be required to vote on every single thing) and separating Democracy from its definition, yes, very radical ideas indeed.

I'll tell you now that we elect representatives on our behalf, that defines us as a democracy. Once again, the two terms do not contradict each other, yet our use of the word Republic implies democracy. Most Republics do. You get your info from places like the CATO Institute. Koch brother founded & Koch brother funded along with many other Radical Right Wing think tanks and Foundations meant to misinform the public. The one who died also stacked Universities across the U.S. for over 30 years with professors who preached this nonsense as well. You are one of their products, whether you know it or not or admit it or not. Other notable creations of these brothers skumbag are The Heritage Foundation, The Tea Party, and anything Libertarian has been taken over by them and their ranks swelled with these Radical Right Wing Ideologies. BTW, Grandpa Koch was instrumental in every Stock Market crash in his own life time and spent fortunes buying POTUSes directly, with no use of bending the public's mind towards ideology. FDR changed the game.

(Can't get more Mainstream than:Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary)
Is the United States a democracy or a republic?
One of the most commonly encountered questions about the word democracy has nothing to do with its spelling or pronunciation, and isn’t even directly related to the meaning of the word itself. That question is “is the United States a democracy or a republic?” The answer to this, as with so many other questions about meaning, may be phrased as some form of “it depends.”

Some people assert that a country calling itself a democracy must be engaged in direct (or pure) democracy, in which the people of a state or region vote directly for policies, rather than elect representatives who make choices on their behalf. People who follow this line of reasoning hold that the United States is more properly described as a republic, using the following definition of that word: "a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law."

However, both democracy and republic have more than a single meaning, and one of the definitions we provide for democracy closely resembles the definition of republic given above: "a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections."

So if someone asks you if the United States is a democracy or a republic, you may safely answer the question with either “both” or “it depends.”

@Bobby9
And BTW, You have yet to make a point. You simply showed up and decided to correct me with nonsense. I am defending myself and my statements as factual and correct in any assertions. You have not offered a single thing on the OP. You've also tried to clown me and you are a borderline imbecile. So I am enjoying this and I hope you continue asking for this beating you are receiving. I can do it ALL DAY LONG>>>>>

@Bobby9

YOU are the one making the assertions because you simply type whatever you type with no reference to back it up.

I have shown you
[merriam-webster.com]

[merriam-webster.com]

I even showed you the only source material you will find agreeing with you. Opinion pieces....

[thehill.com]

Because dictionaries, encyclopedias and Legal Sites all show information counter to what you claim. You still have failed to make a point regarding my Original Post and all you have done is chimed in like a smart ass who thought he was going to hijack this thread and teach us something. You have made no points, just an OFF TOPIC opinion. And a radical one financed and promoted by the Koch brothers and all their Radical Right Wing think tanks.

That's where this ideology was born, I've listened for 20 years and its as wrong today as it was 2 decades ago. Its fodder for fools who have no idea what's good for their own society.

Oliver Stone has a great 10 part Documentary that explains the transfer very well. Apart from his pining over the old USSR, its pretty good. The Untold History of the United States.

And right now Requiem for the American Dream is free on Youtube. Noam Chomsky, I have found, is a god-send. Or, would be if there was one, lol.

@Macanudo thanks, Iove Naom Comsky. When my son was 19 we went to the Left forum in NYC and met him. He was one of the presenters.I have seen Naom Chomsky one but not Oliver Stone. Will check it out. and probably see Chomsky's again.

Yep, but the alternative is the egocentric town idiot. So mediocre has my vote.

@gigihein

Whether I'm bluffing or not, I'm gonna castigate these ratfvckers at every turn. They had a chance to do the greatest good for the greatest number. Instead, Establish Dems did everything in their power to maintain their stranglehold on the party. They're like car thieves demanding gas money after stealing your car.

The ratfvckers denying the ratfvckery taking place are the worst ratfvckers of all imho.

I will add, BTW that this does not mean I do not vote Democrat across the board. You must for the survival of either The Planet, Our Society or the Human Species in general. Because we face global catastrophe from many sources and they are ready to boil over. You can see from the COVID 19 arguments how willing the GoP is to let us die, so don't think they don't think they'll survive, they just don't care about you or me surviving. Pakistan and India are on the brink of a local nuclear conflict with Pakistan promising to drop a bomb on their own soil to kill any Indian troops who cross. They don't believe India would be able to respond if it was dropped in Pakistan. So without the natural disasters we face from viruses or the air itself, that alone can get so out of hand, if mismanaged, that we all better make sure the guy running the free world is not a wacked out lunatic.