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If you are an American, what responsibility do you have for your fellow citizen and where does that responsibility come from?

redbai 8 Apr 27
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It doesn't appear we have any… We’re apparently attempting to emulate the Wild West! Religions, though taking inclusive, mainly look out for their own.. Our government jerks wildly from moderation & responsibility to economic Darwinism on so regular a basis ..it can’t be trusted. Individuals are left to ‘pick a tribe,’ then attempt to keep it together.

I’ll help those I appreciate, but must leave the masses who’ve put themselves in harm's way to their own devices 😕

Varn Level 8 Apr 27, 2020

So your vote is meaningless in regards to helping the masses?

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It's always nice to be helpful within ones means..

But wouldn't that be the case regardless of whether or not the person you are considering to help is American?

@redbai of course.. What's your point?

@Cutiebeauty I was specifically asking about responsibility towards other Americans. Is there any responsibility towards other Americans that that you don't have towards non-Americans? A responsibility that is based on the fact that you are both Americans.

@redbai oh.. I see your point now... I'm nice to all people if they deserve it regardless of nationality... And if they a hand, I'll help out...

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Obey laws, support the duly elected government, treat everyone with respect, pay taxes and contribute to the creation and exchange of goods and services through a career. (Homemaking is a service) Volunteer work and charitable donations are admirable and rewarding but are not duties.

Because we are herd animals we behave in ways that enhance the group as a whole, thereby enhancing our own wellbeing and security. Social behavior is inborn and comes from nature, but government is a contrivance and is the property of the people.

What if laws are unnecessarily oppressive and garner benefit for some while harming many? What if the duly elected government is facilitating said oppression? Do Americans have any responsibility to make sure their government is not acting in ways that oppress certain sectors while enhancing the economic and cultural aspects of another?

@redbai You can work for change while obeying laws and supporting the government. The principal is that each person can not have his or her own way. We will always perceive ourselves to be correct and others wrong, but each person gets only one vote. Sometimes civil disobedience might be appropriate where government is oppressive. Sometimes outright armed rebellion is needed. Our duties are toward society, not the government.

I really don’t think the government has much to do with the economic and cultural advancement of individuals. Individuals are responsible for their own cultural and economic advancement.

@WilliamFleming I didn't say the government helps the "cultural and economic advancement" of individuals. I said it did it for groups. Removing the Native Americans enhanced the cultural and economic advancement of American settlers over Native Americans. Ignoring the redlining of certain groups into economically depressed areas while steering others into economically vibrant areas facilitates the economic opportunities of one group over another. To say that it doesn't happen appears to be ignoring the history of this country.

The idea that you can change unjust laws by obeying them is something that has been claimed for generations. Problem is no one can figure out how to actually make that dynamic work without breaking said laws.

@redbai Good point re first paragraph.

You don’t change laws BY obeying them, but it is possible to work toward changing laws WHILE obeying them. It’s done all the time. A new law was recently passed in my state authorizing the growing of industrial hemp, previously illegal.

If your cause is just and you gain widespread support, you can have changes made without staging a rebellion. If a partisan group resorts to violence because of egotistical and untrue thinking, they are likely to be batted down.

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Freedom isn't free.

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I don't see my responsibility to be limited to the fact that I'm American, nor do I think I'm limited to considering the well-being of other Americans (though the further away, the less direct input I have). I do, of course have an obligation to myself, because neglecting oneself — needs, health, etc. — eliminates any longevity in meeting the needs of others, and the person we're in the best position to care for is ourselves. But none of us is here without family, community, society in general, and humanity as a whole. I have diminishing influence the further I get from myself and from my immediate circles, and surely that plays into my obligations; the more direct my influence, the more I have a duty to help. And the degree of need factors into it as well. My aging father doesn't need me yet, really, but I'm ready to provide what care I can when the time comes. I volunteer in my community, using my talents and skills to meet associated needs, which I think is a reasonable level of expectation — to spend a little time routinely to help others in need. The broader context of society is more vague in what I can do, but I pay my taxes and vote in favor of those whom I believe will use my dollars in responsible ways with social well-being in mind. I am cautious about giving money to large organizations, as I'm unsure those are typically the best places for charity, so I try to fund on a more personal level when the opportunity arises. In the case of the pandemic, I'm doing what I can to safeguard others' health, with short, infrequent public interactions and wearing a face covering to avoid passing along anything if I'm infected. I try to be responsible with resources, conserving when possible and reasonable, which helps everyone a little. To that end, I am committed never to procreate, which helps the planet a lot more than any other conservation measures I could ever take. I'm a vegetarian, which is far more sustainable in terms of land use than being an omnivore is. I'm sure I could be doing more, but I hope I've helped plenty of people, directly and indirectly, and that at the end of my life the good I've done will outweigh the bad. As for where my obligation comes from, none of us exists in a vacuum; all of us rely on society for much of what we have, and as such I feel a responsibility to contribute in moderate ways that don't create undue hardship upon myself.

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