From @blackvisionscollective : In response to the #8CantWait reformist co-optation of decades of Black feminist abolitionist work, a group of abolitionists has compiled this list of demands. #8ToAbolition [8toabolition.com]
What does "repeal laws criminalizing survival" mean?
Use your imagination.
@Bobbyzen [8toabolition.com]
Oh, this is not a good idea at all. Who would want a person to legally dwell on any public area and use the bathroom freely there? That is an extremely counterproductive idea. How would that idea ever serve the public health? I could on and on about how bad of an idea it is, but I think it's pretty obvious just reading it. How would any of this environment ever be good for children?
I guess they also propose no jails and free all prisoners?
@Flowerwall We’re at a crossroads in history. America watched 8 minutes and 46 seconds of our justice system on display. The Hennepin County DA entered into plea bargaining with Officer Chauvin, promoting the state attorney general to intervene and take over the case, because that DA had whitewashed and refused to prosecute police before, and he was about to do it again. Which side of history will you be on?
@Bobbyzen Not the side this position takes. The description under "repeal laws that criminalize survival" are misnamed. The title should read "Don't Call Crime, "Crime" anymore". These ideas would cause more harm to people, including black people, than good. Some of the other ideas I have read are good, but I don't want good ideas mixed in with bad. I only want the good ideas.
We need to weed out the bad cops, but keep the good ones. The police help keep us safe.
Who is the “us” in “keep us safe”’? Please clarify, because the mixed-race children in my home who’ve been stopped by the police multiple times for no infractions do not feel safe. Their mother fears for their lives every time they leave the house.
@Bobbyzen By "us," I mean all citizens of the country. If we weed out the racist (and otherwise bad) cops, there will be no need to fear the police.
@BestWithoutGods How do you weed out cops who stop brown people for no reason, but don’t shoot them? Are they “good” cops because all they did was racially profile, using existing police procedure to make an “investigative stop” (yes, that’s a real thing)? Here in Kansas, the police stopped designated the race of individuals they stop so we don’t even have statistics or names of cops who make these stops. If you’re Black or if you don’t have Black family members, you cannot understand the trauma associated with these stops by “good” cops (aka they haven’t killed anyone yet?? How do you weed them out?
@Bobbyzen You train all police officers to treat every citizen the same, regardless of race. Citizens of one race should NOT be stopped more than citizens of another race.
@BestWithoutGods They’re already trained. There’s diversity training. There’s unconscious bias training. It is not helping. Worse, District Attorneys almost always fail to prosecute “bad police”, and police unions, which donate heavily to elected officials, virtually always win in cases where cops have been fired for bad actions. Hell, the head of the police union in Minneapolis is fighting to have Chauvin and the other cops who killed George Floyd reinstated. This is a systemic issue that has not been reformed despite multiple incremental changes implemented over many years. What else do you propose that will keep black lives safe?
@Bobbyzen In that case, the court system needs changing, too. The courts should not tolerate racism. They should see that the racist cops get fired.
@BestWithoutGods Well the “investigative stops” are legal. And Removing the race from police reports was legal. Courts can’t intervene when the entire system is legally stacked against the brown community.
@Bobbyzen In that case, we need laws banning government racism in any form.
@BestWithoutGods Racism already is against the law. Clearly that hasn’t helped. That’s why radical changes are called for.
@Bobbyzen The changes we need is for the courts and police to obey the law. No government employee should be racist in any way. When police officers crack down on people because of the color of their skin, they are breaking the law. They should either be reformed, or fired.
We do NOT need such radical changes as getting rid of all police officers. That would be quite reckless and dangerous. We need the police to enforce the law.