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Tucker is very disappointed with the GOP.

PBuck0145 7 June 19
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Yes I can certainly agree with part of what he says here. The failure to quell protests before the destruction got out of hand was highly disturbing. I heard a story today about an area that abuts a riot prone area and has a farely new shopping center at the location. Police planned to stop looting there before it started. They used large trucks and police cars to block traffic away from the area. And they were largely successful. We have to ask why this wasn't done in more places. Was it lack of preparedness? Lack of planning skills? Or was it something else? Hard to believe that a much smaller city could do this, but larger cities that have access to much more policing resources could NOT? That falls back on Democrats though.We must ask "Where were the protectors?" Where was the effective government we all thought ensured domestic tranquility? Was it not their DUTY to protect the citizens? Was in not their DUTY to stay faithful to the constitution? Overwhelmingly, the number of protest related deaths and injuries and property damage occurred in Democrat run areas.

I think most places with serious law and order problems didn't try very hard because there wasn't really anything they could do what wasn't essentially pouring gasoline on a fire because really, what else does a force of maybe 1 or 2 per thousand population have to bring to bear other than more violence? The harder they had tried the worse it probably would have gotten.

I guess it is a shock to many how close we live to chaos in this country - but if you live long enough here you'll get increasingly frequent reminders. The proximity is not through a lack of police, it is the state of the people and their increasing realization that the social contract is broken, and is now in the process of being shredded, burned, buried, and forgotten. Fortunately a few of use still remember what that contract is - but like "Fahrenheit 451" they are busy trying to get rid of us too - to the point where life will be more like "Equilibrium" than "1984".

@prometheus "there wasn't really anything they could do what wasn't essentially pouring gasoline on a fire" YES, it's called POLICE!

"what else does a force of maybe 1 or 2 per thousand population have to bring to bear other than more violence" I shouldn't have to study riot control in order to logically assume the police and those who are ultimately in charge, the governing officials, have a responsibility to maintain certain standards in the cities of adherence to law. And in midst of pandemic? There was NO CONTROL.

"I guess it is a shock to many how close we live to chaos in this country" Many things have come as a shock including our response to the pandemic. When the funds spent on national biodefense over the years are taken into consideration, you can't understand how lacking we were in so many ways. Where did the billions on top of billions go?

@Flowerwall I agree with your responses in principle but they assume a well functioning non-corrupt police and government that are performing their duties to protect and serve, and be a government of, for, and by the people. This country has neither and that's why many people are so pissed, and that's why police have not been able to act without making things worse. I mean even in European countries where the police are generally well regulated, rarely kill the people they are supposed to protect and server, even there they have riots and property is damaged. My guess is far less so but at least they don't turn into bloody massacres.

@prometheus US is not Europe. We have a second amendment. As long as it exists there will always be police killing citizens more so than in Europe. We are not comparable in that sense. You are saying police are all just "corrupt" in the US? You should back that up with facts. Why does everyone want to immigrate to the US if it's such a cesspool of police corruption? Why? Because it's NOT. The problems that are attributable to policing are not the officers themselves, but the higher ups who should have been implementing strategic responses to unfolding crises occurring throughout the nation in major cities. It should never have gotten to the point it did; the fact it did means government failed. Who was responsible? Individual officers or city leaders?

I do agree there are problems in " be a government of, for, and by the people." It will never be a problem-free, perfect system. Our job is to fight the dishonesty and lies head on. Putting responsibility largely on police, the average hard-working
officer, is a big part of the misrepresentation that is currently occurring in the propaganda feed in the US. The biggest problems lie elsewhere. Do not accept lies you are told.

@Flowerwall

As long as it exists there will always be police killing citizens more so than in Europe.

That should really only apply in as much as people are shooting at the police more. The excuse that a suspect might have a gun so I had to shoot is old. At close quarters a knife can be just as deadly as a gun, perhaps more so as they are easy to conceal and quiet. However European police do not automatically shoot a suspect because they might have a gun. You probably want an example of people who work in areas where anyone might have a gun or worse, and yet use training to avoid killing everyone that scares them - well then talk to those in the armed forces.

You are saying police are all just "corrupt" in the US?

I'm saying that our police forces are systemically corrupt. I've yet to come across an ex-cop speaking freely that denied that. That is not to say all police personnel are corrupt, but so long as we have the "thin blue line" system acting against any individual that tries to report corruption, and police investigating police malfeasance instead of independent bodies, it will remain that way.

Why does everyone want to immigrate to the US if it's such a cesspool of police corruption?

Because they don't. I know lots of people outside of the US who have zero interest in that. Many don't even want to visit here now and in the last few years that number has probably increased. However there are people in countries where it is even worse and government institutions are overtly corrupt instead of hiding behind laws that legitimize corruption, and economic conditions are much worse because that corruption has gutted the country and made it unsafe for investment and regular civilians. If they want to move here that really isn't saying much.

Putting responsibility largely on police, the average hard-working officer, is a big part of the misrepresentation that is currently occurring in the propaganda feed

People just want them to do their job honestly, transparently, with the minimum of force - and face the same consequences as regular civilians if they commit a crime. That shouldn't be much to ask and I think most people recognize that. If we can fix that problem, and remove the ridiculous amount of social services that they are required to do - mostly far less effectively than trained individuals could - and perhaps have a long hard think about why our social system is in the shitter, that would be huge improvement.

@prometheus
"That should really only apply in as much as people are shooting at the police more. "
If you wait until people are opening fire to shoot, you are already putting other people's lives, or your own life at stake. How good of an idea is that? You ever hear about all the innocent people who get shot in drive by shootings? Bullets don't care who they strike. This is more than half of the problem, the criminality in the first place. But there are never awareness campaigns about those issues. Remember Hadiya Pendelton? She is just one girl, an innocent victim gunned down for no reason, but this is happening all over the place all the time. It is a dangerous, mad world out there You don't expect police to be feeling pretty defensive out there? You don't expect police to work first to protect public/selves from an unruly criminal with a gun? People think police should "Defund"? Well Hadiya's murder occurred in Chicago and it happens ALL the time there, has gotten worse during protests, and the mayor says "NO" to defund police. And school board just said "No" to taking police out of schools and I respect both those decisions, because to act otherwise would be wholly irresponsible. Communities NEED police. I will have to finish the rest of the response later.

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