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Some good news. BLM has gained massive support recently.

RoboGraham 8 June 29
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You cannot Think and not realize that out of control "police" are a danger to Everyone!

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I am willing to bet that a few laws will pass, roads will be renamed but all will come back how it was before George Floyd by Jan 2021. Sadly, no black killing has changed America in 250 years.

I hope you are wrong but I think you might be right about this one

@dermot235
I hope I am wrong too and this injustice really galvanizes the nation and makes strong laws including Constitutional (permanent) changes against discrimination at work, in neighborhoods, financing, education, travel and at all levels with not just financial compensation victims (as it is now) but prison sentences for discriminators.

Will it happen? I seriously doubt it. The authority always hands out candies to pacify the agitators without structural and fundamental changes. The white majority will not allow structural changes.

Other than anti-discriminatory laws against discrimination, naming roads, schools, colleges after MLK, building statues... what did MLK's sacrifice bring in regular black lives? I live in Texas where I have met people who still refuse the call the 18th street as MLK Road in 2020. The black leaders like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton will get their fame and some career out of it but the blacks will continue their current lives.

I believe in beating the enemy in their own game instead asking them to change the game. This is how:

  1. Get so good in their game
  2. Understand the rules, tactics and everything around it
  3. Dress like them
  4. Talk like them
  5. Educate like or better than them
  6. Marry them
  7. Assimilate smoothly
  8. Play better than them
  9. Run for public offices at all levels, win offices, get your voice louder
  10. Get a majority or a strong say
  11. Change rules
  12. Make all play according to your rules

This is what the whites (Caucasians) did throughout the history. Look at how they colonized colored people's colonies, ruled for 100, 200, 300, 400 and more years, change their land, change their religion, change their language co-breed, and change the game. First they only went as traders and missionaries in kingdoms everywhere. Now even after being independent, they will never be the same.

Watch the Koreans, Vietnamese and Indians in the U.S. They don't have any white privileges. They face strong discrimination at work. They arrive here with minimum, no money, no family here etc.) But what they do best is this:

  1. Pursue strong education (it is hard to compete with them at all Ivy leagues)
  2. Acquire higher job skills (medical, technology, science, finance etc.)
  3. They work hard with discipline
  4. Get into higher paying professions (doctors, media, scientists, info technology). Everyone goes to some kind of immigrant doctor in all major cities in the U.S.
  5. You will not see them at McDonald's etc.
  6. Zero to close to zero teenage pregnancies
  7. Zero incarcerations
  8. No mortgage defaults
  9. Higher savings

None of them is out in the streets protesting, burning, looting shops. They know it will not change anything. They are running for public offices, getting into seats of control like schools, colleges, counties, cities, states and launching their next generation better than they are. We have already seen how certain minorities are doing better than many indigenous minorities. The picture after 50 years will be just a magnification if Canada is any guide.

@St-Sinner I agree that all these things are good and should be done. But we have to remember that Koreans, Vietnamese and Indians have not had to deal with the legacy of generations being downtrodden by an economic system and voting system that discriminated against them in the same way as black communities have had to deal with. A lot of but not all the Koreans, Vietnamese and Indians in the U.S have come to the US from middle class backgrounds, especially the indian immigrants with a family background of higher education. They have been better positioned to overcome discrimination than other minorities. Canada also has free health care and it does not cost 30,000 dollars to 60,000 dollars a year to get a higher education in Canada. Until you have equality of opportunity in the US then it's going to make it difficult for black communities to overcome their disadvantage. Universal health care and affordable college would be a good way to empower poor black communities to climb the social ladder. Unlike immigrants from other countries, Black people in the US have been told for the last 400 years that they are not worthy of participation in society and have had their confidence assaulted like no other minority. And this is a reality that suits White people who can keep their position of economic advantage so long as social mobility is limited. And the US has one of the worst social mobility rates in the developed world. And that suits the White community very well.

@dermot235

Immigrants have a baggage that is not often talked about. Many immigrants run away from difficult circumstances. No one leaves home, parents and a life back home 10,000 miles away to go settle somewhere for fun. Many immigrants cannot go back and see their families for years and decades. Immigrants have escaped from bad situations like government harassment, persecution, joblessness, nepotism, heavy corruption, wars, violence and an overall hopelessness. There are gangs who ask for protection money in India and Vietnam in all towns. India is the world's most unsafe land for women (above Somalia and Afghanistan). In most places, women cannot walk alone still in 2020. The slavery is till the highest in India in the world, slaves are still bought and sold today. Western tourists will see the Taj Mahal but not see what India is underneath.

We have heard of many immigrants who've have succeeded tremendously in Olympic sports, politics, science, media whose parents escaped from wars in Africa. A few of them are Nobel Laureates.

Why these things should not be a leverage for black African Americans?

  1. It has been 150 years since the slavery ended
  2. All blacks of today are born in freedom.
  3. We cannot forget that the whites in the North went to fight the violent war with the South over slavery
  4. It was whites who freed slaves in the North much before the war
  5. A white American president stood up for them and finally gave life for starting the war
  6. They are born citizens
  7. They have quotas in education and other places, immigrants don't
  8. Black African immigrants who were not slaves but have arrived from African countries have done well. They face the same discrimination with the similar, looks, hair, looks, and skin color

Most above are advantages over immigrants. But what it comes down to is the willingness to pull self from bootstraps. Unless you have a mental or serious handicap, everybody can do it. There is a lot of good in America and the American people. That is why it still works like a magnet for people from around the world.

To date, I have not understood some things about black Americans:

  1. Christianity is not their religion - why are they still practicing the white plantation owners' and slave masters religion 150 year after America freed them. They are also more religious than the white counterparts
  2. Jefferson, Washington, Robinson were not their African names. Why are they still using the slave owners' family names. That should be the first thing they should abhor and discard.
  3. Why aren't they united against the horrific wrongs of the past? Why are they so divided?
  4. Why don't they have the voting power to tilt the power scale and why the NRA can get more powerful than them in just 30 years?

I am not undermining the disadvantages and terrible history of black slavery but the approach that somebody has to correct the situation and make it better for us must change. I was making the same point about the immigrants. They are not waiting for the system to be fair. They are forging ahead by making strategic choices to get an advantage.

@St-Sinner
"Immigrants have a baggage that is not often talked about. Many immigrants run away from difficult circumstances. No one leaves home, parents and a life back home 10,000 miles away to go settle somewhere for fun. People have escaped from bad situations like government harassment, persecution, joblessness, nepotism, heavy corruption, wars, violence. There are gangs who ask for protection money in India and Vietnam in all towns. India is the world's most unsafe land for women (above Somalia and Afghanistan). In most places, women cannot walk alone still in 2020. We know many celebrities in Olympic sports, politics whose parents escaped from wars in Africa."

This is not discrimination. This is where an entire population is treated badly.

"It has been 150 years since the slavery ended"
Tell that to Share croppers from the 1970's in the south.
Tell that to a black man who is stopped by the police 20 times more often than a white man

"We cannot forget that the whites in the North went to fight the violent war with the South over slavery
It was whites who freed slaves in the North much before the war
A white American president stood up for them and finally gave life for starting the war"

Was Jim Crow standing up for them????
Was mass incarceration standing up for them

"They are born citizens"
Everyone in the world is born a citizen of somewhere. That means nothing

"They have quotas in education and other places, immigrants don't"
I'll give you that one.

"Black African immigrants who were not slaves but have arrived from African countries have done well. They face the same discrimination with the similar, looks, hair, looks, and skin color"

You just made my point about Black people in the US have been told for the last 400 years that they are not worthy of participation in society and have had their confidence assaulted like no other minority

"Most above are advantages over immigrants. But what it comes down to is the willingness to pull self from bootstraps. Unless you have a mental or serious handicap, everybody can do it."

So pull yourself up by your bootstraps when you are born in a trailer park and have no money and can't afford an education. Come on. You can't be serious. Did you not read my point about social mobility and lack of equal opportunity

" There is a lot of good in America and the American people. That is why it still works like a magnet for people from around the world."

Now you have been taken in by the Myth of the American dream.....
In the last 10 years more people have migrated to Europe then to the US. JUST a FACT.
And social mobility is greater in Europe because of Free health care and Free Third level education. So it's easier to pull your boot straps up in Europe. This is just a FACT. Social mobility Stats don't lie.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but when I hear US citizens taking about how anyone can make in in the US it makes me laugh. We have people who make it here as well.

"Christianity is not their religion - why are they still practicing the white plantation owners'and slave masters religion 150 year after America freed them. They are also more religious than the white counterparts."

Are you not an Atheist? You should know that people use religion for comfort when the world treats them badly. It's all they have. Nobody else will care about them. Do I really need to argue this point

"Jefferson, Washington, Robinson were not their African names. Why are they still using the slave owners' family names. That should be the first thing they should abhor and discard."

You need to go research this one. Because Black americans have been using black names more and more since the Civil rights movements in the 60's. And there is a book you might read. Not being smart...It's a really good read. It's called Freakanomics. One of the chapters talks about how you name can affect your life outcomes. They did a little experiment and Applied to over 1000 jobs with a CV with a White name. Then the took the same CV's with the same qualifications etc and used a black name and found that you were 6 times more likely to get a reply to your job application if you had a white name. That's scary

"I am not undermining the disadvantages and terrible history of black slavery but the approach that somebody has to correct the situation and make it better for us must change. I was making the same point about the immigrants. They are not waiting for the system to be fair. They are forging ahead by making strategic choices to get an advantage."

I agree.
But ask yourself this question.
What are the White people waiting for.
Do you think they have done enough for Black people.
Maybe you think they have...I don't know if you do.

But I certainly think they have not done enough by any means. What are THEY waiting for.

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