@kcuhcortsa I don't know how to believe that the row of words "The personal Gods of Christianity or Islamic faith" have any mental referent. That's because I do not know how to have any mental concept of anything which that row of words could refer to. If you claim to be able to have a mental concept of something which that row of words could refer to, then please describe that mental concept to me so that I might be able to have it too. Otherwise it only seems to reason that "The personal Gods of Christianity or Islamic faith" is just a sequence of 8 words with no meaning. I don't believe that Christians and Muslims worship anything named "God" or "Allah", they just think they do and speak as though they do. But they can't if they haven't defined any god at all. It sure looks to me like they haven't defined any god at all. So they just think they worship a god, but they don't.

@EdwinMcCravy I came across the term personal God from readings of Joseph Campbell, a religious scholar of comparative religions. A personal God is one who supposedly listens to and occasionally answers prayers. For Christians, Muslims, and Jewish believers, their vision of God fits that definition. Half of the world, however, believe in impersonal gods. In these belief systems, the gods are a manifestation of nature, not the creator or external entity that imposes his will on nature. Thus, s pre-Columbian American Indian, for example, my pray for a good hunt, but he does not expect anything explicitly to happen.

A group has been formed called Atheists vs Agnostics "Atheist vs Agnostic", specifically to discuss meanings and definitions.

@kcuhcortsa As long as someone claims that "God" means "Creator of the universe", then "God" is meaningless. That's because the word "creator" can only be defined in terms of 'makers' and 'things made by the makers' within the ALREADY ASSUMED PREVIOUSLY-EXISTING universe.

@EdwinMcCravy See "Joseph Campbell, who was a religious scholar, made the following distinction between a personal God ..." for starters.

@EdwinMcCravy Sorry. I jumped over to your profile page to see your frame of mind. If I'm reading you correctly, you think God - the creator is meaningless. (I have no problem with that.) I come at the issue of God from a different angle. I look at the dogma and teachings of Christians and Muslims and compare their prophesies and dogma against a mountain of scientific evidence, concluding their dogma is self inconsistent and is at odds with scientific evidence. Thus, I dismiss (falsify in my mind) the existence of those Gods. I have no opinion with respect to Deist's, Buddhist's, Hindu's concept of god, although I have absolutely no reason to believe in any of these.

I hope so

"Universe" is just a word some word coiner long ago invented and gave the rule that we will say that anything that exists is to be labeled as "part of the universe". Remember that humans long ago made up all words, and made up usage rules for them. The words didn't drop down from the sky.