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Possibilianism vs agnosticism? Possiblianism is a philosophy which rejects both the idiosyncratic claims of traditional theism and the positions of certainty in atheism in favor of a middle, exploratory ground. I wonder who has heard of it and what your thoughts are? Here are some links to get you going.


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Personally, I would believe in the existence of a god should I see it for myself but whether I would bend a knee to that good is another matter. Any supreme being that would demand my subservience is suspect from the get go.

Surfpirate Level 8 Apr 26, 2018

The problem with agnosticism is that they claim that there is no proof whether god exists or not, and the chances are 50/50. There might or might not be $1 million under my pillow when I return home, however, the proposition does not have a 50/50 probability. The presence of a god is an unprovable proposition, but the chances of there being one are vanishingly small. To pretend otherwise is disengenuous.

Azatheist Level 4 Apr 18, 2018

Sounds like more word salad.

No certainty in atheism. When there is evidence for god I will believe in god.

Not before.

Uncorrugated Level 7 Apr 16, 2018

I think that even atheism is uncertain to the extent that open minded peopel are alwasy open to look at new data to re-evalute theri certainty.

snytiger6 Level 8 Apr 16, 2018

The hubble telescope says it all. 7 trillion galaxies and a thing runs it all. suuuuure

markdevenish Level 7 Apr 16, 2018

Does "possibilianism", like theism, atheism and agnosticism, require the belief that "God" and "Allah" are possibly meaningful words that can be used meaningfully in a sentence? I am a theological noncognitivist and am unable to believe that "God" and "Allah" are meaningful words. That's because I am unable to conjure up any mental image of anything they could refer to. If you or anybody else on here claims to be able to have a mental concept for "God" and "Allah", then I request that you please describe such concept to me so that I can have it too. Thanks.

EdwinMcCravy Level 5 Apr 16, 2018

As @atheist said, possibilian should not be confused with probabilian. Just because something is remotely possible does not give it veracity.

The personal Gods of Christianity or Islamic faith can be strictly be ruled out by scientiffic evidence. Impersonal gods of the Hindu, Buddhist, or Chineese regional religions cannot.

TheAstroChuck Level 8 Apr 16, 2018

@kcuhcortsa I don't know how to believe that the row of words "The personal Gods of Christianity or Islamic faith" have any mental referent. That's because I do not know how to have any mental concept of anything which that row of words could refer to. If you claim to be able to have a mental concept of something which that row of words could refer to, then please describe that mental concept to me so that I might be able to have it too. Otherwise it only seems to reason that "The personal Gods of Christianity or Islamic faith" is just a sequence of 8 words with no meaning. I don't believe that Christians and Muslims worship anything named "God" or "Allah", they just think they do and speak as though they do. But they can't if they haven't defined any god at all. It sure looks to me like they haven't defined any god at all. So they just think they worship a god, but they don't.


@EdwinMcCravy I came across the term personal God from readings of Joseph Campbell, a religious scholar of comparative religions. A personal God is one who supposedly listens to and occasionally answers prayers. For Christians, Muslims, and Jewish believers, their vision of God fits that definition. Half of the world, however, believe in impersonal gods. In these belief systems, the gods are a manifestation of nature, not the creator or external entity that imposes his will on nature. Thus, s pre-Columbian American Indian, for example, my pray for a good hunt, but he does not expect anything explicitly to happen.

A group has been formed called Atheists vs Agnostics "Atheist vs Agnostic", specifically to discuss meanings and definitions.

@kcuhcortsa As long as someone claims that "God" means "Creator of the universe", then "God" is meaningless. That's because the word "creator" can only be defined in terms of 'makers' and 'things made by the makers' within the ALREADY ASSUMED PREVIOUSLY-EXISTING universe.


@EdwinMcCravy Sorry. I jumped over to your profile page to see your frame of mind. If I'm reading you correctly, you think God - the creator is meaningless. (I have no problem with that.) I come at the issue of God from a different angle. I look at the dogma and teachings of Christians and Muslims and compare their prophesies and dogma against a mountain of scientific evidence, concluding their dogma is self inconsistent and is at odds with scientific evidence. Thus, I dismiss (falsify in my mind) the existence of those Gods. I have no opinion with respect to Deist's, Buddhist's, Hindu's concept of god, although I have absolutely no reason to believe in any of these.


This sounds like I'll believe just in case kind of talking.

But even if you try to work out the idea doesn't really sound different than agnostic, just with a sillier name that fall more in line with apologetics.

Rams91 Level 4 Apr 16, 2018

I know of no position of certainty in atheism.

Mortal Level 8 Apr 16, 2018

It's an even weaker version of Agnosticism than typical, I see no benefit or value to it.

WileEQuixote Level 7 Apr 16, 2018

Sounds like "non-comitt-alism" to me. I don't mean that as a criticism either. I'm fine with that. I think it's good always to have an open mind about things and not take fixed positions. For me, agnostic seems to fit best.

AwarenessNow Level 7 Apr 16, 2018

When it comes to the Universe an open mind seems to be a reasonable position.

Sticks48 Level 9 Apr 15, 2018

I hope so

"Universe" is just a word some word coiner long ago invented and gave the rule that we will say that anything that exists is to be labeled as "part of the universe". Remember that humans long ago made up all words, and made up usage rules for them. The words didn't drop down from the sky.

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