Has anyone read Richard Carrier's book about the Historicity of Jesus and the weakness of the evidence, or really, the non-existence of evidence?
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Does people really need a book to tell them how ridiculous is to believe that an entity -which conveniently looks like a human- jumps from cloud to cloud, 24 x 7, and watches everything we do? Please, we are reaching the first quarter of the XXI century and the stupidity has to go....Mankind needs to jump out of this ignorance.
DUCHESSA
Level 8
Apr 16, 2018
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Considering the billions of people who follow the Middle Eastern triumvirate, I'd say yes, yes we do. We need intelligent, detailed, historically accurate refutations of religion.
Well, it sure won't happen if no one tries, if no one ever points out the absurdities. And, the world is becoming more and more secular. And we're seeing the backlash from the cultural/religious conservatives. I think that people like Hitchens, Dawkins, Sam Harris, Richard Carrier, have had an effect in bringing people around to rationality. It's a slow process for sure but would you argue that people are more religious now than, say, 50 years ago?
I have! Apart from Bayes theorom, which is more for scholars, it is a facinating read/Listen. I've also done Sense and Goodness without God, and his collection of papers Hitler, Homer, Bible, Christ. All very good.
Humanity4all
Level 6
Apr 16, 2018
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I think it's interesting how Christians, believe the New Testament is the word of god. The New Testament was written 100 years after yeshuas' supposed crucifixion, and it took another 325 years to turn it into a book. To top this off, if Jesus actually existed, he was almost certainly illiterate. He never wrote a single thing down even according to the entirely speculative rabbinical tradition. Many of the historical figures that we know existed, we know actually existed because they, themselves, wrote things down. Instead, Jesus had to rely on other people to write his story. This same idea applies to the Old Testament also.
crocoduck1
Level 3
Apr 16, 2018
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In Eusebius' book "The History of the Church" 4th century, there is a copy of a letter Jesus supposedly wrote.
"Supposedly"? Never heard of it. I study the dynamics of debate, and the origin debate is by far one of my favorites.
I have to get this book.
I have in on my bed board but haven't gotten myself through it. For me it's pretty deep. I appreciate his work.
gearl
Level 8
Apr 16, 2018
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I have the hard copy for reference, but prefer the Audible version where Carrier does the reading.
No, but I have watched some of his talks on youtube. A lot of what he has to say seems reasonable enough to me. Though he has ardent opponents, even in the atheist scholar community.
I'm not sure it matters, one way or the other, whether a man really existed. I view Jesus kind of the same way as I do King Arthur. It's possible there was a person. Or maybe multiple persons. Either way, the myths that rose up are still myths.
BAMFHufflepuff
Level 5
Apr 16, 2018
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No, not really. But the idea of the non-existence of Jesus has been thrown about for some time. There is indeed no verifiable evidence that he ever existed.
LucifersPen
Level 7
Apr 16, 2018
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No, but his assertion doesn't surprise me. I've never believed Jesus ever existed.
KKGator
Level 9
Apr 16, 2018
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What gets me is how i fell for it. I just accepted it was true. Went along with the rest of the people never asking questions. Believing preachers were talking to Jesus. It's funny how people would take a bullet in the name of Jesus just like Muslims would take one for thier god.
@BucketlistBob I completely understand, Bob. I've seen it my whole life. The great thing is that you came back to your default, which we're all born with, and consciously decided to use your critical thinking skills again to acknowledge what a complete load of garbage "belief" truly is.
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