unfortunately, every word you said is true!!

@Basem what is also true unfortunately is a lot of progressive atheists will defend the barbarity of Islam before helping out secular reformers like Ayaan Hirsi Ali or Maajid Nawaz. Progressives are unprincipled moral cowards who have this zero-sum worldview of the slights of the West like somebody refusing to bake a cake for a gay couple is comparable to a gay man being beheaded in Saudi Arabia.

@Heavykevy1985 islam should be fought publicly and internationally, the form of this fight is not the classical war, it should be the teaching and educating of muslims in specific that muhammed was no more than a horny warlord. there are many names in the arab world who are speaking their voices loud against islam and are being fought against, one of them is Hamed AbdulSamad who lives in germany and guarded by 9 police men all the time because the islamic institutions in egypt and saudi shitty arabia called for his blood.
i spoke to someone and i have announced my readiness to speak publicly against muhammed if i am in america. but i am not unfortunately.

@Basem i could write my congressman about it. Sherif Gaber is another person living in Egypt who has went to jail for criticizing Islam. Just do not look for support from a lot of liberals especially if they are like Ben Affleck

@Basem you honestly have an excellent case for asylum. You are being persecuted for your beliefs and live in fear of your life.

i am literally suffering being in a muslim country. suffering on daily basis. i lose friends, people accuse me and threaten me. i can't get along with people because i can't stand their arguments about how everything turns out to be allah's unmatched wisdom!

i am telling you and i mean it word by word: if i am in america or any other country that guarantees the safety of speech i will go public and talk shit about islam. since i know A LOT about mohammed's life and wars, about islam in general. i can argue philosophically and psychologically against this fucking religion.

i am reading and teaching my self some quantum physics. my mind is always busy with ideas that can't echo anywhere here in fucking arabia coz i am as you said an apostate.

if there is anything regarding the western secularist experience hearing shit about islam, well sorry that i am not there to whiplash real hard against this cancer. and even try all that i can to shut down islamic whore-shiping places as i call them but i am far from the scene in the states. therefor, i hope and everybody understands that what i say and post is just to let some steam off for me to not explode for the wrath i hold for these mother fuckers!.

@Basem where IS that hug emoji? I feel for you. I could sense the thread was trending rather harsh, perhaps without all the respondants necessarily cognizent of the fact you personally know of what you speak.

We in America are just dealing with a shit-ton of bigoted cultural insensitivity, so it seems much more acceptible to harshly criticize our dominent religion than it does any minority one, regardless of how deserving of criticism.

@MikeInBatonRouge do you remember back in the 80's all pop singers gathered and made a song to support africa against aids? there was another gathering made by the 80's metalheads led by the late ronnie james dio and they made a song to donate for the poor? well, i think all thinkers, critics, philosophers and who ever wants to participate should come together and create a retaliation act against allah-god-jesus.. with serious bashing until we get rid of religion once and for all.

and thank you for telling me that you feel for me, it means something good in my tired mind.

the behavior of cancer cells is always the same, all religions behave the same way... they're all bad but not equally bad.. islam is the worst.

@Basem Try telling that to the people of Ireland!
What about the Ismailis and their spiritual leader, the Aga Khan?
You would be hard put to find a more peaceful and tolerant religious sect.

While at one time Christians did wage "Holy Wars", that was a long tme ago. Islam is ready to wage such war today. Additionally they respect no other religion, in fact their Koran says to do the exact opposite.

The Irish religious issues are beter described as crazy Irishmen. No where else does that degree of Catholic/Protestant violence exist.

@Alienbeing It is fueled by huge donations from Americans! Explain that.
Then there is the biblical teaching:-
"I am the Lord, thy God. Thou shalt have no other gods before me
Rangers and Celtic football club supporters often clash violently, due to religious differences.
The mainly Muslim people of Bosnia, who lived peacefully with their Christian neighbours, were attacked by the Christian people of Serbia, with tacit support from Christians in Germany.
The Muslim Uyghurs of China are being persecuted right now.
I have yet to hear of an Ismaili (A Muslim Shia sect) who perpetrates violence.
You cannot make "blanket" accusations against all Muslims - only against those countries ruled by religious governments.

@Petter OBVIOUSLY not all of any group is equally guilty and i never even inferreed that. Your quote from the Christian bible does not say be violent towards others. The Koran does. It also says it is OK to lie to infidels.

I assume your first sentence referes to Americans of Irish decent, and does not negate anything I said about crazy Irishmen. BTW, I am of Irish decent.

@Alienbeing quran says to attack others who don't worship allah!

@Alienbeing, @Petter
please know that "cute" moderate muslims are the reason terrorists appear and flourish. because the moderate individuals / families read these violent texts in quran and interpret them in such a way that viewers will accept such texts and feel "safe" about them. it is happening in america and the west in general where muslims have to show the peaceful face to the society where they dwell.

you have a cute muslim family neighbor and they invite you to their religious occasions. and when there is any conversation regarding the occasion they'd say that they call for peace and they wish for world peace etc.. on the other hand, the only thing that turns the table against you is that a religious fanatic 2 blocks away will take these same holy texts and read them seriously! and by reading them seriously all the terror begins because this is the very nature of these texts.

Difference is that Christianity has went through the meat grinder of the Enlightenment and even most recently with the Four Horsemen of atheism. Islam is far more dangerous than Christianity is.

I think this is an equal opportunity religion bashing site. They are all bad in many ways. Even worse so when tied to the govt

islam has a special situation since its a religion and a state. maybe christianity has this too but islam had gone far too more than christianity ever did. the beating heart of the islam problem is quran. arabic language got anchored down and stopped developing because of quran's arabic language. the only way arabic is developing now is by anglicising it!
people's behaviors over centuries were derived from the islamic tradition until it became the typical behavior for the masses, and the only way to develop people's mentality is by moving away from the arabic tradition and adopting a new one. because it all stems from the islamic teachings that stem from the quranic verses.
arabs now are divided by those who want to live and develop and those who want to remain muslims. there is no an in betweener.
can't you see how bad islam is? the only way to make a change is to destroy quran then everything else will be easier.

@Basem

You did not answer my point!

I never said to lay off of Islam. What I said (and what you ignored) was for you to point at how Western imperialism greatly facilitated the growth of Islamism and uses it to destroy secular powers in the Muslim world that want to control their own resources.

If you really are concerned about Islamic fanaticism, you have to start looking at the master behind it...

@Krish55

i don't want to move to talk about the western imperialism because you feel this is the main problem. besides, i did not ignore your "request", i said what always think is the problem. if there are hidden masters that manipulate the resources based the growing islamism, then we need to cut the main vein that supplies blood to such thoughts. then the islamism you fear will shrink and the western imperialism will have no one to use for its own benefits.
again, my problem is the quran and how its fucking people's lives. please stay around this issue if you want to reply. thanks.

@Basem

You are like a secular Jew in a Nazi concentration camp complaining about fanaticism in the Torah. Yes, it's there. But that's not the cause of the problem you're facing.

Without Western aid, Islamic fundamentalism would be powerless against the forces of socialist secularism.

Your singular focus on the rabid dog rather than its imperialist master raises the question that you may be an Israeli troll or a far-right supremacist posing as an Arab. Or a collaborator with imperialism.

After all, even in the concentration camps, the Nazis employed Jewish kapos to carry out their dirty work. I bet these traitors complained about their co-religionists the way you do in order to justify collaboration with the oppressor.

@Krish55

yes, i am "an Israeli troll or a far-right supremacist posing as an Arab. Or a collaborator with imperialism." like you say! you got me!!! oops!
if you are suffering the western imperialism then discuss it on a political platform not an anti-religion based platform.
i have seen your replies on variety of topics and they the majority of these replies were around imperialism!.. if someone said why the jam's jar has a metallic lid not plastic.. you'd say its the imperialism. you're funny!

@Basem

You are dismissing the role of imperialism in fostering radical Islam. You are obviously not from the Arab world as you pose to be.

As I said, you are either an Israeli troll/ a far-right supremacist/or a paid Arab collaborator similar to the kapos in the concentration camps. Only those would dismiss the pervasive impact of imperialism.

You point to conflicts between Sunni and Shia for example. But you ignore that it was the US which stirred this up in Iraq to maintain control after its invasion.

@Basem

If you really are an Arab, your posts would be appropriate in a site containing only Muslims so that they could be confronted with the contradictions of their religion.

However most of the folks on this site are white Westerners. Most are liberal/leftist but a significant number are right-wing White Supremacists. They need little encouragement to act out on their hate of anything foreign.

SO YOUR ANTI-ISLAM POSTS THAT REFUSE TO LOOK AT THE IMPERIALIST BACKING OF RADICAL ISLAM CREATE A VIOLENT HATE TOWARDS ANY BROWN-SKINNED PERSON IN THE WEST ASSUMED TO BE MUSLIM.

If you really are an Arab in Jordan, you are safe from this hate. However you are irresponsible for failing to consider the consequences of your posts for those who look like you in Western countries.

@Basem @Krish55

Imperialism it is - through power and force!

See what happened to the indigenous children in Canada. They were ripped from their homes, their language, culture and heritage to convert them into another religion, catholicism. The majority of these kids didn't make it back home. The school playground became a cemetery for these children. Islam is not the only religion guilty of atrocities towards non-Islam.

This happened in South Africa too. Kids were ripped from their parents, made to work on farms and adopt the European languages and their religion. Mass graves of men, women and children in South Africa too - those that didn't agree with colonial "forcefulness". Three mass graves found in 2017. There's definitely more.

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@Krish55 Yea, we should not have supported the Shah, but current Iran is worse than the Shah ever was.

@Alienbeing Current Islamic Iran is the result of us overthrowing secular Iran in 1953 and installing the Shah.

@Krish55 Partially correct.

because i come from a muslim background and islam is my enemy.

@Basem Intriguing. I come from a Catholic background and I don't consider the religion my enemy. That would seem to me just another way of being obsessed with it. Are there specific people who I consider culpable for their actions, of course, but as an example;

I know that the Catholic Church hid pedophiles who molested children for centuries which means that a lot of disgusting people took an institution and hurt people and destroyed lives with it. I also know that there are many people (many in my family) who have turned to Catholicism and it gave them a reason to do the right thing, a way to feel better about something troubling in their lives. I can't view them both the same, I can only view them as human beings and choose to interact with them based on their behavior not on whether or not religious programming is part of the mix.

My experience has been that the "good" people I know are so regardless of their religious belief and the same can be said for the "bad" people I know. The religion is the tool, it's how you use it that really matters.

@redbai

totally disagree, religion was never a mean of choice for someone to see how they can use it and to what benefit. religion is bad all way. with good people and bad people. if some people take refuge through religion to ease their problems then there are better ways of meditation for example. catholicism and radical islam are the same, it just happened that islam came with a newer version of the same bullshit and made people follow it through holy lies.

there are tons of studies that show how bad is the influence religion can play on people's behavior, like Gustav La bon described in his book "psychology of the masses" with the term ( the psychology of the group ). people tend to have standardized way of thinking that determines whats good and what is bad, not based on the actual goodness or badness of that particular thing.

@Basem Religion is a tool just like any other and to say that people cannot make choices on how it is used should have to be demonstrated not proclaimed. You cannot demonstrate that people haven't used it in their personal lives to do good things so I would like to know how you can say that it cannot be use for good. But just like an old tool, people have discovered many ways of utilizing it for various purposes. You can use a hammer to help build a house or kill someone. Nothing in your comment refutes that at all.

There are tons of studies that show how wine or sweet foods can play on people's behavior too. That doesn't mean either should be banned or are "enemies", what matters is what people do with it.

If a Muslim or a Catholic believed in their hearts instead of in public where I must interact in some why with their beliefs, I would have no problem with them. It is the necessity of including others in their belief that is the issue.

In many ways Christianity is where it was in the 1500's and any meaningful difference has nothing to do with Christianity but the cultures in which it had to adapt to survive.

@redbai Insightful answer!

@creative51 You fail to see that burning people is much worse than burning property?

Really?

@creative51 Nothing you have posted indicates you notice anything. Your last post is particularly indicitive of your inability to notice much at all.

However you do excell at illustrating how childish you are.

@creative51 Ask me if I care what you think. I'll save you the trouble. Since your posts never exhibited any degree of intelligence, I don't care.

However since your posts do show you to be a total fool, please continue. I enjoy seeing you make a fool of yourself.

@creative51 You rant about me not reading your posts yet ask me "If you don't care, why even respond to my comments."

OBVIOUSLY you didn't read, or maybe didn't understand my last post, which in part said: "However since your posts do show you to be a total fool, please continue. I enjoy seeing you make a fool of yourself."

THAT is why I respomd, I enjoy seeing you make a fool of yourself, please continue to do so.

I'll leave by correcting the horrible grammar contained in your last post:

1. There is no need to place a comma between the words "care" and "why" in the first sentence of your reply.
   2.Your second sentence is a question, therefore it should end with a question mark, not a period.
2. The comma between "Oh" and yeah" in your last sentence is placed incorrectly
   4.The third word in your last sentence "That" should not be capitalized.

Again, please continue, you embarrass yourself more than I could ever hope to do.

@creative51 Apparently you have no come back. That is understandable considering how my last post tore you apart.

@creative51 You are pityful, but at least you realize you are.