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Just curious: If we in this organization were told the Constitution is being re-written and we at agnostic.com were to have to come up with 10 principles the new document would demand. Post as many as you like.

My input: Being the document is time constrained, develop a replacement that goes beyond the Amendment procedure, as system that acknowledges current cultures and sub-cultures but also potential future cultures. It should be a timeless document. Imagine the honor of another but young country approach us and ask, "We would like permission to use your Constitution in our nation as well." Hit that bar, and the entire world is due to benefit.

Oh, this is a brainstorm, meaning don't get to detailed.

slavenomore 5 Apr 28
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How about Don't be a dick

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Overturning the Telecommunications Act and Restoring the Truth of Information Act would be great too

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Adding FDR's Second Bill of Rights would be a good start.

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Why should anyone have to ask permission to use a public document to help them draft their own document?

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Get that stupid, fucking star-spangled banner song, the hell out of our collective consciousness, and replace it with John Lennon's IMAGINE. Other than that, I got nothin'.

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When did "we" become an "organization"??

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no killing, no maiming, no torturing ,free speech, equality, true justice, protect the unfortunates. free education to whatever level one requires, restrict the power of the corporation by enforcing same rules on them. end arms manufacture export liscences. end patent laws and release all patents being mothballed by corporations [enabling the teslas of the world to shine]. restrict pay rates to no more than 100 times the level of entrance worker [ like america forced on japan after ww2 ] sorry that's 12

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All are responsible for acting towards others in such a way as each would wish others act towards them.

cava Level 7 Apr 28, 2018
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I'd get rid of the electoral college, do something about gerrymandering, strengthen voting rights, re-word the second amendment, write something about education being an American value and a human right, outlaw media monopolies...

You do know of course that Nixon won the popular vote against Kennedy...can you imagine Nixion ( a hawk) in charge during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Also, "...re-word the second amendment..." is ambiguous, what do you want it to say?

@dahermit I don't think it's true that Nixon won the popular vote. But even if it were, I still think the electoral college is inherently unfair.

And I'm not sure what wording I'd use for the second amendment. I think it's ambiguous now. I was written when militias were our national defense, and that's no longer the case. So that wording needs to go.

@slavenomore I don't agree with your interpretation. But I'm not going to go down this rabbit hole right now.

@carlyhorton There is nothing ambiguous about the Second Amendment (...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." ) it is just that you do not like it.

@carlyhorton, @slavenomore The Second Amendment had nothing to do with protecting aginst burglers or feeding one's family or for that matter, despite popular belife, as a check against the government. What disturbs me is that people will spout some platitude relative to the Second Amendment while in complete ignorance of the rest of the Constitution...namely in the place where the government is required to actualy arm the milita (Article one, Section eight). In short, if you don't know what you are talking about...don't.

@dahermit wrong

@carlyhorton By all means, if I have made an error relative to the Constitution, please point it out to me where exactly I have made that error. As for just a childish one-word, retort...well that speaks for itself.

@dahermit I think you're rude. I don't want to talk to you.

@carlyhorton I am rude...especially when someone does not know what they are talking about but still insist on talking instead of learning.

@dahermit I replied to a post with a rather vague point about it needing to be reworded. Then you got immediately condescending and rude. And you’re just getting worse.

@carlyhorton Thank you...but I can assure you that I stay this rude consistently.

@dahermit All I said was that the amendment was ambiguous. That was enough to trigger you into incivility. And you’re proud of this. Good riddance to you.

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It is a principle that no question of gender, no colour of skin or eye, no shape of face or body, no belief in god or none, no sexual inclination or political allegence, is fundamental to the value of a person. A person's value shall, instead, be judged purely upon their just and unbiased desire to have a positive effect on the lives and happiness of their fellow people.

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"We are a country of laws. All citizens and institutions within the country are to abide by and uphold the laws of the country. The same is expected of all immigrants and visitors."

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full discloser: I am a Canadian.
some wording could be modernized:
We hold these truths facts to be self-evident, that all men humans are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness self-fulfillment.

just a start.

Love this!

In as much as you are a Canadian, I will have to forgive your misconception. What you posted was from the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. Unfortunately, most Americans will not recognize it as such either.

@dahermit I actually knew this was part of the Declaration of Independence since I cc'd off Wikipedia. Nevertheless, I still believe it's a good start for a constitution though.

@Lukian It is way too vague to be part of the constitution (unenforceable), whereas in the Declaration it was mainly meant to piss-off King George.

@dahermit I was going for the prelude introduction of the document, kinda setting the stage but I hear ya!

@Lukian Actually the prelude to the Constitution is:
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessing of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." I happen to have a copy in front of me on my desk.

What I find interesting is in the First Article, Section 8, it states in part: "To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia..." That suggests to me that the intention in that part of the Constitution was to have the federal government train and provide arms to the civilian militia, which would have meant the standard (military) infantry arms that were current. If that be the intention, then the Second Amendment "may" have been intended to shift the responsibility for arming the militia, to the militia (people) themselves. In short, trying to understand the Second Amendment without considering the Article 1, Section 8 references to the militia, may lead to faulty interpretation.

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