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I have no idea what one might consider me in regards to “religious orientation” Religous people tend to think of me as an atheist whereas atheists think I am religious.

I feel as if most labels that attempt to define my position are too far nested in pretentious linguistic models of logic and reason. Enstien’s General Theory of Relativity preludes with a chapter in the nature of geometric truth and what it means for something to be “true” or “false” which is mostly dependent on the axioms which are in place. To that end, when someone asks “Do you believe in God” there is virtually no chance that what one person means by the word “God” is going to be what the other person means.

In matters of truth, language holds too many abstract assumptions of the human condition to delineate anything other than axioms or frameworks upon which {truths} are based. The very concept of spirituality as a whole can be seen as nested in evolutionary psychology as a metaphorical embodiment of our psyche.

In many ways, the concept of “God” and “Spirtuality” (even though I am not spiritual myself) embodies something with which many people connect on a level deeper than language and logic. When abandoning spirituality, similar concepts arise to fill its place—whether they be tarot cards or third eyes.

While I don’t think any of these are “true” in regards to the nature of reality—-they are “true” insofar as they embody a history of evolutionary adaption of the human psyche and exist in metaphorical representations thereof.

I want to again stress my lack of belief as a prelude to this somewhat preachy attack on atheism. The common interpretation of fairies and a magic man in the sky is one which takes a common theme throughout history which hundreds if not thousands of intertwined variables (adaption, evolution, language, survival and psychology to name a few) and rejects the most basic and literal interpretation thereof.

Does anyone else experience the same type of delemia when attempting to label their relationship to spirituality?

austinjames 2 Apr 29
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The metaphorical representation of the human psyche is where I seem to have people not understanding—this is my fault for not explaining very well. I could 100 books on the psychological and neurophysiological adaptions of the psyche that resulted in religion—-but for now I will give just 1 example.

Let’s just start with an example—humans evolved from Lobsters about 350 million years ago, but our basic neurophysiological reward system is virtually identical. When lobsters engage in combat there is serotonin that is released and when they win dopamine is released. So long as the Lobster is engaging in competition, even if the lobster is losing the majority of the time, they will be okay. If the Lobster looses a lot of fights (more than 70 percent) and begins to compete less often as a result—-they will become depressed and physically slouch. BUT, since it is a similar centeal nervous system to humans, we can actually give lobsters anti deperessants (serotonin) and the lobsters will stop slouching and begin to compete again (happy win or lose).

When we begin to think, why are their so many religions and why do so many people follow them—it can be easy to say it’s because religon is evil and people are stupid. Indeed, literally anything and everything will be used by manipulative people to get what they want. Nonetheless, let’s look at the actual evolutionary purposes for its existence instead of focusing on the inevitable death and manipulation of humans and picking the scapegoat. And when we do this, we find that the concept of Heaven and the afterlife is not so much purposeful for escaping the fear of death (although it is used his way) but more often than not it is a safety blanket of serotonin in the abstract sense of hope. Hell works the same way in regards to those caught up by those who have wronged them. Anyone with the intellectual honesty to think they could actually go to hell is smart enough to not have to use religion as a crutch. Those who are especially nuerotic need this false sense of justice—-and in a metaphorical sense it is almost true since those who wrong others and lack empathy are often in a “hellish” state while alive. Nonetheless, heaven is the more important of the two as it provides a life long “competition” for which to attempt to get into. Even if you’re doing all the wrong things in your religion, the striving or effort is lifelong serotonin.

For those who still hate religion, this information is even more important because it shows you how you can end religion by replacing its psychological dependencies with other mediums. Karma, for example, is a concept that can and most likely will replace the idea of hell to satisfy the psychological need for vengeance and justice. Talking to a religious person about Karma or introducing them to other things that satisfy their basic psychological needs is a very easy way to get people out of religion.

I agree with much of your writing on the evolutionary background to belief BUT I do not see that it is necessary for everyone (some certainly) to replace religion with some other serotonin releasing activity. I think the range of human physiology militates against this conclusion.

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When we rely upon faith to define ourselves we are in truth relying upon a comfortable lie or fantasy because deep down we know there is no real evidence to back up the belief we are trying to define ourselves by. You can define yourself according to the evidence you have or the blind faith you find comfort in but not both, how others choose to define you is their problem.

This has nothing to do with faith. I don’t believe anything by faith.

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Well let me answer your question with a question..Do you feel the need to label yourself as anything?

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No.

Every now and then someone posts something like this here. Essentially it's about the philosophy of language. We can't really be sure of anything because everything is language and so let's go down a rabbit hole talking about. Reality might be 3D projection for all we know. Bully. In the meantime I know what religion is. I see what religion is. I read about about what religion does. I loathe its past and present and hope it doesn't have a future. I'm not interested in BS twaddle that people call spiritual and like because it produces feel good chemicals in the brain. I'm an atheist, because there is no evidence or any God, or for any supernatural phenomena of any kind for that matter. I have no doubts about the world being a better place if we pursue reason, science and social justice. The only doubts in my mind are about the best ways to pursue that goal, and how best to confront and challenge and neutralise mysticism, supernaturalism and magic based thinking, and I'm always interested in hearing views of others about this. I'm not interested in twaddle about how I should prove God doesn't exist, or fairies for any other supernatural invention, and I'm not interested in twaddle about spiritualism. My brain doesn't produce feel good chemicals for crap like that. Never has, never will.

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"In matters of truth, language holds too many abstract assumptions of the human condition to delineate anything other than axioms or frameworks upon which {truths} are based. The very concept of spirituality as a whole can be seen as nested in evolutionary psychology as a metaphorical embodiment of our psyche."

Care to run that by me again in simpler language?

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You believe or you don't. No need to complicate it.

Insert philosophical word salad here *

@Proto ?

Hmmm... yes

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