It's mostly women and children that have left Ukraine. And old folks. Not men of military age.

The point is, Ukrainians have amuch greater will to fight.

Don’t you understand the difference?

Ukraine is also a war zone, with frequent strikes on civilian targets. That too makes a huge difference.

The point I'm making is that historically there's nothing untoward going on, Putin and the war are plenty popular in Russia, it's Ukraine whose loses are unsustainable. Articles like this are just sophisticated propaganda to get people to support a war. The war isn't some good vs evil twaddler, it's a stupid border war on the other side of the planet that the US and Ukraine share culpability in starting. We should be trying to end it, not prolong Ukraine's suffering.

@Jolanta Yes, I do. just pointing out they are fleeing east, not west. Not terribly surprising, eastern Ukraine was always part of Russia and mostly Russians live there. It never should have been given to Ukraine in the first place, one of the causers of this stupid war.

@Druvius How far is always?

I am old enough to remember the Vietnam war, and how unpopular it was. Did the draft dodging that occurred then significantly shorten the war? Probably not. But it did symbolize a resistance that cut deeply through society. And today's Russia is not 1960s/70s America. We lost around 55,000 men in Vietnam over 15 years. The Russian casualty rate is much higher. In one year they have had, by some estimates, as many as 60,000 men killed, 200,000+ total casualties. Even convicts have mothers.

@Flyingsaucesir I'm born in 1959. My brother, 12 years older, served in our AF during the war rather than be drafted into Army so I know that war well. We repeated it, for worse reason, in Iraq so all the "We won't forget" BULLSHIT gets ignored by me. We only care when our personal offspring are involved (convicts or not). Dudeism addresses the ideals of the 1960's as The Dude was a Hippie but lost his idealism. I'm learning a new way of looking at that through Tao Te Ching. Keeping a limber mind. I will state confidently that the draft dodging did not shorten that war. Nor did the activism. It ended because it had become a political liability.

@rainmanjr I think it became a political liability in good part because of the activism.

@Flyingsaucesir It went on for four years after 1968 so that's not my interpretation.

@rainmanjr If not from vocal antiwar dissent, then where did the political liability come from?

@Flyingsaucesir Voters who were simply tired of it (as they get during any war [I cite Iraq]). Until the nation feels defeated we don't care about the lives so the activism means little. That's how it appears to this Dude, anyway.

@Flyingsaucesir Okay. We stopped The Iraq War too, then. Right?

@rainmanjr The (American) body count in Iraq was far, far lower. And the money was all borrowed. The antiwar activism was, consequently, comparatively muted. Vietnam & Iraq = s & s