@barjoe You're right. Nobody really wins in any war. Economic loss, human loss, loss of security.... the cost is never zero. The best you can do is to prevent the continuation of atrocities.

@TheoryNumber3 That was not my point. Some claim USA won the war in Europe but others say USSR "won" that war. That's the reason Germany was split between East and West as well as the European Continent. It's what I meant by subjective. Obviously Germany, Italy and Japan surrendered, so they are the ones who lost. The Allies won and Axis Powers lost WWII.

@barjoe Your point wasn't lost on me. I was just saying that there really are no winners after all.

f you google "Who Won WW11" there are a myriad of answers ... Some say the USSR, some say the USA, others say the Allies or the United Forces won.

@TheoryNumber3 We defeated Nazi Germany. I'd say that was a win.

Raymond Burr?

@Sticks48 Yeah, Perry Mason.

It was the result of a duel, rather than an assassination.

@Barnie2years Did you not see where I said no spoilers please?

@Barnie2years Did Samuel Adams cause him to die from cirrhosis of the liver?

@barjoe drowning by beer bong!