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I’ve seen a couple of comments on here about how important it is to lay out expectations when starting a relationship. One poster said if you’re talking on line and an in-person date is imminent, you should discuss those expectations. I’m sure I’m not the only person on here who doesn’t know what those expectations are. Ideally, I’d like to fall in love again and have someone fall in love with me. But I consider that a desire, not an expectation. I’d much rather see where things go. I just think I’d be missing out on a lot of possibilities if I insist that whoever I happen to be seeing absolutely must be looking for a serious relationship. Anyone else feel this way?

ProudMerry 7 May 7
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I do feel the same way. For me I would rather start out as friends and see where it goes. It takes time to really know someone.

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Chemistry for me. Without chemistry all that other shit doesn't matter.

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I think calling these expectations "deal breakers" would fairly characterize the intent I've usually heard behind those sorts of comments. Any absolute requirements that come out up front can save time and spare feelings. You're under no obligation to have a list ready though.

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I've never had a man/boyfriend love me. I don't want one to now. It will never happen anyway. Not for me. Oh well. I'm happier single and I don't want to pay for a bf's shit anymore.

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I love it when women insists on the man being tall as a qualifier, minimum 6' tall as a deal breaker and this is regardless of how tall or short they happen to be. It's a mystery why some women find it hard to connect with a great guy when they hamstring themselves right from the beginning. Yes, I'm 5' 11' tall and I'm happy with my height but I find it damned funny when people bring a huge shopping list to the table and wonder why they are having a problem finding love.

@ProudMerry To be fair I've known men who have the same kinds of shopping lists with items like Blondes Only or Minimum C cup, or some other such superficial criteria. When they get what they think they want they often find that they were mistaken and they usually can't understand why.

@ProudMerry Very true and then of course there is the other mistake that people make by pigeonholing people as 'friends' but no romantic possibilities for any number of reasons. People say they want a partner who is their lover and their friend so aren't those pigeonholed friends already halfway there?
I almost made that mistake with my wife, she had been married to my lawyer but got divorced, we had always been 'just friends'. It took another good friend to take me aside one evening when a bunch of us were out on the town, smack me upside the head and point out that the special woman I had been looking for was right in front of me, I just needed to ask her to dance. We've been together almost 20 years, through thick and thin, I owe that friend a great debt.

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For me I do try to find out expectations before meeting. By expectations I mean are they looking to actually date? Or just looking for a hookup or a FWB situation.

I've had a few (what I thought were) really good dates, only to find out later they just wanted a FWB.

@ProudMerry I’m not sure what you mean by every relationship become a fwb for a time. I’m looking to date but I do have a FWB that I see 1-2 times a month. He’s safe and a friend but due to political beliefs we aren’t interested in anything more than friends.

I agree. I know my long term goal is an LTR, so if whomever I'm talking to is only looking for a FWB situation then there is no point in continuing the conversation. I'm not getting any younger and I'm not going to waste time on something that's never going to be anything other than sex.

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I disagree. I think dating is the wrong approach. It pushes the 'relationship' in a definite direction too soon, before both people have gotten to know each other outside of a romantic context.

I think friendships are the best way to start.

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Expectations.
Not really.

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I think expectations are important EVENTUALLY. Like if you want some permanence.

@ProudMerry I know, right?! That's what dating is for. Is he or she THE one? Maybe after the second date you find out she hates Martin and Lewis movies and you leave her sour butt in the bar without so much as Lyft fare.

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That sounds like a terrible first date.
Me: Now that we've ordered coffee, I have a list of expectations.

  1. Nudity by the third date.
  2. We will vote for the same candidates by the third year of our relationship.
  3. Unless specifically bargained away, this will be an open sexual relationship.
  4. No cats.
  5. Cowboys, not Texans.
  6. Aggies, not t.u.
  7. Aggies and Cowboys are nonnegotiable TV.
  8. I watch cartoons.
  9. Sex, no less than 10 times a month.
  10. No hair bands.

@ProudMerry which one?

Where are the handcuffs and don't forget the spankings!

Singledom seems much better.

@ProudMerry I hope you're not intrigued by 'no cats'! People who don't like cate are invariably psychopaths (joking Phil21)

@Abbelyne Crap, never realized that was a "tell!" Thanks for the tip.

@Ellatynemouth Singledom is better than having to fill out a questionnaire on the first date? How is that even possible?

@DarwinistOne You have your list and I have mine. But I like yours more better. I definitely think we've reached consensus on the issue.

@phil21

Well, yours wasn't exactly a questionnaire, it was a list of demands.

Hence singledom looking better.

@Ellatynemouth Outwitted yet again! I left out the fueled jet and $50 million in bitcoins.

@phil21

That wouldn't be enough for me...

@Ellatynemouth I know, but I hate to appear greedy.

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...but if they're not looking for a serious relationship and you are, then you are banking on them changing their mind and expecting them to want to put themselves in a position to want fall in love with you. It goes against everything they're thinking. You are saying you want a relationship and if it will be it will be with them, but their mindset is in a totally different place. I guess if it's really meant to be then it's meant to be regardless, but I think there's less of a probability of getting what you want that way. I think that way is just ASKING for not getting what you want. I know a lot of people say, "it just happened", but I would bet the majority of people who are in relationships actually wanted to be in relationships.

So you're not only walking uphill with finding someone who you can mesh with, but you're also attaching a boulder to your back in thinking someone who doesn't want a relationship is going to change their mind because that person is just so right and wonderful for them. From my experience, people who aren't looking for relationships aren't focusing on you. You being "right for them" might actually push them away even more because their mind set is to explore. They can't do that if they're "stuck" with you. They want to date a lot of people, experience different events, have sex with more than 1 person, and a number of other things. If they go against what they were thinking and they stay with you, they might even resent you for it after a while.

To each their own though.

Unless I completely misunderstood or misread what you meant lol

@ProudMerry Understood 🙂

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I havent been on a wild flurry of dates but all I expect at first contact is a conversation and respect

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I used to feel like that but I have learned not to have expectations about anything. It took some learning but you avoid disappointment and are open to surprises. Sure you can set boundaries up front but avoiding pitfalls of hope and expectations is far easier than being attached to an idea about how something is going to be or what I hope for. Anyway...my two cents.

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The thing is, even when I do set parameters, when I meet them they almost always try to change them. I once met a man for dinner and told him on the phone that it was dinner only. We meet, and throughout the dinner he is trying to convince me to go to the motel down the street to have sex with him, which I always replied "no". When I get up to leave, he grabs my boobs, and kissed me, telling me he just couldn't resist. Needless to say, I never talked or saw him again.

@evestrat I agree; she was most likely talking about relationships. This was the first thing that popped into my head though. As for relationships, each relationship is different which (to me) means each will have a different answer.

@StarvinMarvin Unfortunately, that was during a time where I had very low self-esteem and froze. If it is done to me now I will probably kick them in the nuts.

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I think of it as boundaries. I have boundaries about sex, how fast I’m willing to move in a relationship, about my time/space alone(I need a lot).
Everyone is so different in what they expect once dating starts or is imminent: I had one man start calling me his wife?...bit disturbing, that!
Honesty and open communication is best, imo. Make sure you’re on the same page. Sooner the better. That still leaves room to see what develops over time.

@ProudMerry if it works for you...

@ProudMerry I get that. I think my idea of ‘boundary’ is different from yours, in that I’m hyper vigilant due to my past experiences. You feel an opening up or blossoming. To each their own?.

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No kids now or ever is my ground rule and it typically keeps me nice and alone.

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