I've noticed the public discourse now uses feminist instead of women's lib. Back when the Earth was still green and new (the 1970s), I used to ask women if they were liberated? Most of those who answered in the affirmative indicated they were because they believed in equal pay, were career oriented, etc. To wit I replied, "I thought that true liberation would be for you to have considered several life styles and have selected the one you feel would be best for you. The elimination of inequalities is also important, but so is your chosen lifestyle."
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Free speech should also include the right to face the consequences of your speech.
GeorgeRocheleau
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May 21, 2018
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Which means?
Aaron Schlossberg is now facing the consequences of being a dick. In the last week he has been kicked out of his office building, is facing possible disbarment and has a Mariachi band playing outside his apartment. He probably will not be disbarred, as his actions were not illegal, but he is seeing the consequences of what he said.
I use 'feminist' to mean men's and women's rights, because the Patriarchy represses men in many insidious ways.
Ellatynemouth
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May 21, 2018
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I think in fairness, there are different types of feminists. The ones I have issues with are the third wave TERF types. Usually middle class white academics, some of whom hate men, transsexuals and crucially - the working class.
Class comes into the picture big time. Our lives are defined by class. Both working class men and women will have worse lives than the repressed sections of the middle classes or ruling class. I think of Oprah Winfrey. Her class has protected her against the misogyny and racism most working class black women face.
It could be said that a poor working class man and woman have more in common with each other than they do with a billionaire who sits on his yacht in the Cayman Islands.
I was in my local town and a skinny young teen was out in a crop top and shorts (usual British reaction to an odd sunny day) and she yelled as a lady in a niqab, 'why the f are you wearing a bin bag, stupid cow?' (Or words to that affect). I just watched the scene in horror, I wanted to gather them both up and get them both to understand they are not here to be or dress in anyway that continues to support the patriarchy and no sister should ever be criticised by another sister because of her appearance. I didn't I shook my head and walked off. All of us victims of what the patriarcht expects.
I agree with you. Life is too complicated. I whole heartedly agree. Oh for a simple life in the country.
Feminism for me is simply about equality. It does not mean I hate men. I am actually rather partial to men in general. Neither do I want to be a man or traditionally masculine. I enjoy feminity, I do a lot of what my sister calls 'girlie superpowers' like cooking and crafting, baking, making beer l, wine jam etc. The thing is those skills are as equally valid as building houses and stripping engines. In addition I believe in sexual freedom. I believe I have the right to be a sexual person without being expected to look or act in a certain way, I believe I should feel safe around any male and feel safe to walk around at night. I should if I chose be free to get tipsy on a night out or wear short skirts and expect to get home safely.
I believe that the value to my contribution in my places of work should be entirely equal to a man's. I believe that marital status, pregnancy or age should not be reasons why a person is not employed. I believe if I wanted I should have the opportunity to work in any male dominated profession and not feel disadvantaged.
Until these are entirely met...entirely we still need to fight the good fight.
Amisja
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May 21, 2018
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And there's more to it than just those two things. Just ask my ex-wife and daughter, who have taught me very much about feminism.
Tomfoolery33
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May 21, 2018
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