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I have to admit that there are times I wish I had some belief system to comfort me when awful things happen. Twenty years ago we started taking our animals to a wonderful vet who was just out of vet school. She helped us through the difficult times of saying goodbye to animals and she even helped us find kittens when my daughter needed distraction from my divorce. This weekend she and her husband died. They were on a dream vacation fly-fishing in Iceland. The reports are somewhat conflicting, but it's clear that one of them got swept away by the current into an icy lake and the other dove in to try to help. They both died. They were both 48 and gave to the community in a lot of different ways. I have no idea about their religious beliefs or lack thereof.
When I heard I had several reactions -- first, I was so struck that it was completely plausible either way -- that she tried to save him, or that he tried to save her. They'd been married for 19 years and it was a reflex to throw themselves into the water to try to save their beloved partner. Then I got angry in a childish way. I can think of a lot of people who 'deserve' to die so much more than this couple.

I don't believe they're together in heaven (or anywhere), I wish I did. They were such great people and I so wish they could have had longer. How do others comfort themselves in a situation where there's no comfort forthcoming because there is no rhyme or reason in the universe? Or should we just be grateful we had a chance to have such people in our lives, cry, and move on?

ladyprof70 7 May 23
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What a terrible, terrible accident, and I am so sorry for your loss. I believe, when we cross, that we go to a different plane of existence. I don't believe is no such as heaven or hell; there just 'is'. I have personal experience of animal companions and family who have made their presence known, to believe otherwise. So, I believe the people you knew are together.

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The things about us that are of value: love, deep awareness, gratitude, appreciation, free will, those things live forever through our collective self. Bodies are just robots, temporal by design. Sense of self as a separate entity might be just an illusion.

Every second of conscious awareness is an amazing gift. So sorry for your loss.

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I'm very sorry for your loss and also so happy you experienced such joy from two people!!

There are times I wish there were an afterlife I could see people I love in. But I won't. This is the only shot we have. Treasure those who are near you. Be grateful you have had experiences you can look back and smile on.

I'm guessing the pain will still be there. I couldn't imagine moving forward without it. But I can only hope, and wish, that time will make it less painful for you.

Think of the happy times. Take comfort in that.

Best,

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I am always grateful for special people in my life. Yet, they always move on in one way or another. That doesn't stop me loving them for who they were and what they taught me.

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Sorry that was Rainbow Bridge

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Grieving is not a religious experience. Even though religious people have the grieving experience. I am so sorry, your report is heartbreaking, even as I think about it! Such a loss! But there are no guarantees in life...we just do our best and make the best, when the worst hits us! There are 5 stages of grief and getting through them will give us some peace. Shock, denial, bargaining, anger and acceptance...I may not have remembered the exact order. (Forgive me.) As you can see grieving is hard work...that would hold true if you believed in a God or no God! I am sorry that you lost just dear people, not to mention the way they left!

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I think the expressions you have felt are typical of grief. The best way, from my experience is to cry it out. If no luck there maybe a good councillor. There is also Tainbow Bridge, a Norfolk Legend May give you some peace. It is mainly for if you have lost an animal but I think it might help you

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Sorry for your loss (and it is a loss, even though not a family member).

It's true that religious belief represents in part an attempt to make life something that it's not (fair, uniformly comprehensible, provided with guarantees, never any unwanted changes and nothing out of its "proper" place in the story arc, re-dos allowed in an afterlife, etc). It's true that you can feel a little better about something like this in the short run using religious ideology. But in my experience, it never holds up in the long haul.

My mother and oldest brother died "before their time" while I was a Christian, my prior wife died while I was deconverting, and my adult son died after I deconverted. I can tell you that as hideous as that last event was, it was not as bad as my faith of origin would have made it -- and I feel that I have some basis to make that comparison.

In particular, it was a pure loss, free of the useless "why" questions that my faith tended to pile on top of the loss itself: why now, why him, why me, why didn't god protect him as promised, what did he / I do wrong, and so on and so forth. Once you really, really understand that life is just shit happening, that it's not personal, or about you, or even particularly surprising ... it becomes much easier and less angsty to move through the grief process without a lot of pointless distractions. It's hard enough to make "sense" of a loss like that without also in addition having to make sense of the cognitive dissonance caused by god being asleep at the switch and/or sending mixed signals.

Finally if you really understand how long a time eternity is -- you will understand that an afterlife is no real comfort as every afterlife eventually, of necessity, becomes its own hell. Even assuming it's conveniently some sort of perfect version of life on earth. Also, if some deity couldn't make this life safe and sane for us, there's no reason to think it would make an afterlife any differently.

I would suggest focusing on what you have rather than what you don't -- namely, many years of quality service and friendship, the selfless example of a loving couple looking after each other, and the positive memories of those things that will always be with you. And be patient with the grieving process, it will take as long as it takes and it will come and go seemingly forever.

@mordant If I ever die you're speaking at my funeral. ❤?❤?❤?

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