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Religious indoctrination is child abuse. Yes or no?I know this topic has been brought up before but I'm gonna go for it anyway.
I was raised in a rather strict Baptist sect called the nazarenes. I began doubting what I'd been taught very early and was agnostic by the time I reached my teens. Much of what I was taught stayed with me however. To this day I find things in my mind put there by well meaning elders looking to teach me "the way".
The problematic thing is that most of these ideas and thought patterns are destructive and even debilitating. Teaching a child that they're always being watched and judged, down to the very thoughts in their mind is a particularly grievous form of brainwashing.
I had an amazing anthropology professor who freed me in many ways, though I doubt he ever knew what he'd done. Despite being a nonbeliever I still carried the conviction that my angry or lustful or covetous thoughts made me a bad person, whether acted upon or not. Learning that we are mammals, that those thoughts are universal and naturally occurring, blew my mind. I had still been living the idea that my thoughts defined me, not the actions I chose. That the desire for physical closeness and yes sex were not hell worthy offenses but biological needs that are actually important for our well being was astounding.
My indoctrination began so early and was so ingrained in my thought patterns that I couldn't even see it. That seems to me an awful weight to lay on a person, any person.

The idea of service to man and god is another problematic teaching. Yes people who dedicate their lives to others are admirable and praiseworthy. The idea, however, that your sole worth as an individual lies in how you may be used for others is fucking abhorrent. This one is so engrained in our culture that we all basically accept the notion of "you don't work, you don't eat". Self help books are full of ways to make yourself a better tool for others to use. Parents are expected to give up their lives and dreams to raise children. We vilify parents who "work too much". The negation of the self is so deeply entwined with religion, it's appalling. What is a self for if not to be fulfilled but thats one more thing religion robs us of.

Thoughts?

OpposingOpposum 9 May 30
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I would consider it more as brainwashing rather than abuse. There are deprogrameers out there that work with this for people associated with “cults”. Parents should allow their kids to be exposed to it for educational purposes only and let the person decide for themselves.

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You have touched upon a great topic of conversation, Blindbird. I don't think that religious indoctrination can be considered child abuse unless the intent is to manipulate and/or control the behavior of the child by the parent/teacher/clergy. Though this does occur, I believe that most parents/teachers/clergy members are simply following through what the way that they were raised. They believe that this is the correct way because that's all they've ever known. This is why each culture teaches the religion or myth that is prevalent in their logistical area at the time. We no longer believe in Zeus because our parents didn't and their parents didn't. I was in ministry for many years and don't believe that I ever intentionally tried to harm anyone with the Christian morays that I espoused. I was "over-the-top" when I first converted for sure and was annoying at the very least. But I never meant to hurt anyone. I was only trying to lead them to salvation. I have known fellow ministers through the years that did use religious belief to gain financial or sexual advantage over others and they were fortunately brought to justice. The high majority of clergy that I've known are good people who are trying to help by using the programming installed within them.

When is it not with the intent of manipulating a child’s behavior? That’s the mission statement in the Bible. Raise up a child in the way it should go so that when they are old they will not depart from it. Just a nice way of saying brainwash em young, it’s easier that way. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. All kinds of abusive manipulation has been done with good intentions. Doesn’t make it any less abusive.

Er most of the clergy I've known personally were child molesters, womanisers and raging hypocrites.

@Wurlitzer I agree with the brainwashing completely. I'm just saying the intention of most parents/teachers/clergy is NOT to harm the child. For instance...Let's say you love eating shrimp and when your baby gets old enough you give that child shrimp for the first time. Suddenly, they break out in a rash and begin having difficulty breathing. You bring that child to the ER and find out they have a shellfish allergy. Is that child abuse?

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It is not good. However, I think unless there is mental harm to a particular child, it falls under bad parenting more than child abuse. I say this after working with abused people. People certainly do use religion as an excuse for child abuse. I have met too many kind people that are religious and healthy to support such a broad statement.

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