@Surfpirate my brother... you have never lied? Hell... why submit to an ass whipping for taking that kind of a stand. Im Going to lie my ass off to keep from getting hurt. Theres no honor unless you can make it honorable and others appreciate your stand. Think about all those Christians that died because they didnt want to burn in hell. Well there ain't no hell so go ahead and lie. Most of us are living one anyway. Trying to prove something. I would really like to get over this and walk away but I had things happen to me when I went to war and I have to support my brothers that died over there to allow people to disrespect my flag, country, and anthem I pledged allegiance to. I can't stand using another cause to disrespect my anthem.

@BucketlistBob I hear where you are coming from and I get the importance of respect. I didn't go through all those years of school yard fights for the national anthem or the lord's prayer, saw through the religious BS early, but I did it because my parents insisted I do so and because it was my right as a free person to do so. About the only thing I learned from religion was that a person has to stick to their convictions if they are honorable, no matter how many shit kickings you get for doing so. I won my fair share but nobody wins every fight, 4 broken noses and too many black eyes to count but the point is that eventually most of the idiots backed off and a few of the good guys actually backed me up when it was two on one which happened a lot. Not because the good guys shared my point of view but because they respected my standing up against the odds.
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything is something my dad always used to say - of course he also said fake for the smaller guy and then punch the bigger guy in the throat.