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Found this on 'Big Think'; What do you guys think?
I'm trying to understand what people mean when they say that they believe something.

If you drop an object you might express your expectation that it would fall to the ground as a belief. Such a belief is based on a life time of experience. The evidence of your experience leads you to deduce that what has happen previously in similar circumstances is likely to occur again. For less familiar physical phenomena you would test, by repeating actions, just how something works. This is hypothesis and theory as belief.

A different kind of belief might be trusting in people. Suppose that a friend recounts an incident he witnessed to you. You accept that what he is describing as an accurate account of what happened - you believe him. Because you know and trust him you don't need evidence of what he is describing. However you are aware that no matter how objectively he tries to describe the incident to you he may be putting his own interpretation on events, people usually do. You are also aware that, although you trust your friend, the possibility exists that he might be lying to you.

If you later came across some evidence that was incompatible with what your friend had said you would begin to doubt him. If such evidence came from several sources, although you might want to believe your friend, the awareness that he could be lying to you would grow into a suspicion that he was lying to you.

This kind of belief is a little more than accepting things as probably true; there is also an element of wanting to believe your friend and giving him the benefit of the doubt in the face of evidence to the contrary. After all life would be pretty grim if we couldn't trust our friends and we don't want life to be grim. If enough people betrayed us we might become cynical and trust no one.

Neither of these kinds of belief are the same as religious belief. I think that when someone subscribes to a religious belief the desire for the religion to be true, for there to be something that makes complete sense of life, far outweighs their willingness to apply the criteria of evidence. People who base their lives on belief occasionally move from one religion to another, they want something to believe in and cannot tolerate the vacuum of non-belief. Religious belief 'trumps' evidence because the desire for the belief to be true is more important to the believer than reason.

I don't think that belief is a choice. We are all situated somewhere on a spectrum from absolute scepticism to deep religious faith. The sceptic cannot believe anything wholeheartedly without conclusive evidence, the faithful have little interest in evidence because proof does not define their existence as much as belief.

StJohn 6 May 30
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Surely, belief is a choice, although less than most of us imagine.

Past experience and our own biology inform our beliefs and the choices we otherwise make and, without doubt, impose limitations on the scope of what is possible, but there still exists a degree of freedom - as a redhead, for example, although exposure to strong sunlight causes painful sunburn, I'm at liberty to go into the sun having decided for myself whether or not to wear sunscreen (and having made the - hopefully, informed - choice of which brand is most effective) and how long to remain exposed.

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It's a semantics issue. 'Believe' is often a substitute for - 'I agree with the idea of', 'this fits my world view', 'this fits my morality'.

It's a lazy filler word.

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In my opinion a person can be religious without believing anything, and in fact, belief is an impediment to true religious sentiment. Most religious organizations promote or require certain beliefs, but that should not be considered the essence of religion. We should just stop talking about religious belief—saying that we believe or disbelieve this or that thing when actually we haven’t any idea of what we are talking about. No one alive understands the true nature of reality—no philosopher, no scientist, no religious leader.

What is needed is not belief or faith, but just a willingness to think and listen, read, meditate and contemplate. What might gradually emerge is deep awareness and appreciation.

“Try and penetrate with our limited means the secrets of nature and you will find that, behind all the discernible concatenations, there remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion. To that extent I am, in point of fact, religious.” Albert Einstein

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I agree. People feel guilty that they were jerking off as kids, that they took money from mommy's purse, that they lost the mortgage money at the racetrack, that they were getting their ashes hauled when their daughter had a recital, whatever. They need something to expiate those feelings, otherwise they would curl up and die. It doesn't matter what it is. I've had ample occasions to hear 12-step shares and Xian witnessing both, and they're pretty much the same.

Why would anyone feel guilty jerking off? It feels good and hurts nobody.

@jwd45244 Because for decades it was presented as something dirty and bordering on the sinful, as indeed was any form of overtly sexual expression, a legacy that we as a society are only just now getting past (at the expense of going to the other extreme, pushing sex into areas of the public sphere where it's clearly inappropriate - for example, sexualizing ever younger girl and normalizing pornography).

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