News story today regarding some European countries banning hijabs in public. This has been an ongoing controversy for some time.
Is this another ridiculous religious rite creating havoc in a secular world or infringing on religious rights?
I'm interested in the way you've used the words 'rite' and 'right'.......... because it does make a big difference to the meaning of your post For example, the 'religious righ't implies the ultra-conservative, right-wing of religion....... and if you're saying that hijab wearing is potentially 'infringing' on this form of religion, I would wonder WHY, as a proclaimed Agnostic, you would care about such a thing.
Rite, meaning a religious practice, vs religious right, as a human right.
I posed the question, might you have a concern if someone you didn’t know walked into your bank, school, business, theater, hospital, covered from head to toe (a Hijab, religious garb, a rite) in a black gown, full face cover. (Their right to express their religion) I didn’t make judgements, I merely posed a question, also, I don’t care.
Again, this was a news item (Reuters/CNN).
The suggested ban is for burkas and hijabs.
People can wear whatever they want as far as im concerned, but for a photo id you need to see someones face.
That's also against their religion
@Kojaksmom im sorry but how are you going to be able to identify yourself if you leave it on? i just think exceptions should be made, jews can wear their yarmulkes (had to look up how to spell it) and members from the church of the flying spaghetti monster can wear their strainers on their heads but neither religious garment covers their face.
I'm okay with people wearing them...as long as...they don't HAVE TOO... the choice is theirs.
As much as I think Islam and all religions for that matter are mostly dumb, I also feel that limiting clothing choices even if they are tied to religion, is pretty authoritarian and against democracy. The only way they should be not allowed is if they completely cover someone's identity.
Before one gets carried away, ask yourself which of these women I'm going to describe is more exploited:
-A six year old, tarted up a la Jon Benet Ramsey, to be a beauty queen.
-A 12 year old who dresses like a little prostitute. And please, no lectures-we've all seen this and cringed.
-A 60-something woman with a too short skirt, way too much makeup....in short, still objectifying herself.
-A woman in a hijab
Interested to know your thoughts.
i don't care about any of the things you listed above. judging someone for the way they dress seems pretty pointless to me
I don’t like exploitation of women and especially children, I don’t judge someone’s taste in fashion (I do), I’ll just say there’s no accounting for taste.
The question the news item left me with was, where do you (we) draw the line when it comes to dress, specifically hijabs... security concerns was the purpose of the news item. Someone wearing a full body cover may pose a security risk... this post was a “poll” question, I didn’t express an opinion, I merely posed the question.
The question could be better worded.
I think banning hijabs does no good. A lot of Muslims are in a difficult position because they've been born into Islam and their culture, family and friendships all reinforce Islam. Just as Catholicism and Christianity.
It would take a lot of courage to break free without support. Instead there should be more resources and support offered to those who want to break free from Islam.
I didn’t make a judgement on wearing hijabs, Reuters reported “some” euro governments are considering banning the wearing hijabs in public for security reasons. My question was, do you agree or disagree. Do you think security may be compromised when someone enters a public building covered from head (face) to toe in a black gown, or do you think governments banning hijabs in public is wrong?
You did word it badly. A hijab is a head covering garment. You didn't mention being covered from head to foot.
@Ellatynemouth actually, and I could be wrong, but I think the hijab is head to toe and a niqab is just the scarf... Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
@Kafir
hijab
hɪˈdʒɑːb/
noun
a head covering worn in public by some Muslim women.
the religious code which governs the wearing of the hijab.
Absolutely.
@Ellatynemouth okay. Then what is a niqab? I mean, what's the difference? Basically, which one is the head to toe thing? lol burkas. That's where I got confused. They mean burkas, not hijabs. Or niqabs. Burkas are the head to toe robes and mask combo.
@Ellatynemouth ... I believe the suggested ban is for burkas and hijabs, in other words full face coverings, probably not hijabs.
Hijabs are scarves that cover the hair, not the face. You are referring to the head to toe robes with built-in full hood and mask. Either way, It's a stupid thing meant to hide women from men who can't control their base instincts. And instead of addressing the real problem, those lecherous members so prevalent in that culture, they force things like this on potential victims. But, in the end, it's just a scarf, but a forced scarf nonetheless.
However, do Ban the burka globally. No one is safe from crime if everyone is wearing the same mask. Not saying that everyone who wears a burka is a criminal, but those who are are dressed exactly like those who aren't. Makes it real hard to identify the culprits and not have an epidemic of mistaken identity happen. Just like if everyone has the same finger prints... Imagine how that would screw up forensics...
I appreciate your understanding of gender dynamics in cultures that wear the hijab. Yes, you're right about making the potential victim the one who has to take responsibility! This is true for western culture too! Though I'm sure you know this.
My experience of women who wear the hijab is that they are not at all alike. They become a fashion statement (pretty much the only one allowed) so they come in all colors and prints with embroidery and embellishments. To say that all women in a hijab look alike is akin to saying all women wearing blouses look alike.
@ladyprof70 you are correct. I had the hijab confused with burkas. I retract that statement and will correct my original comment to reflect more accurately what I had meant.