Matthew 10:34

Why do you say he was a terrorist? Where do you get that he was in the 10 most wanted list? And why would you bring his wife into this?

@Benthoven You with the Swiss Guard? I know those are Secrets of State in the Vatican... You got to be Swiss Guard!!!

I thought we were more evidence-based over here. Not only could I not make it with the Swiss Guard, I wouldn't even survive the Boy Scouts. A ten-year-old could kick my ass.

Which causes me to ask, again, where are you getting your information?

@Benthoven That is what you want us to believe... I had seen James Bond on drag. But MI-6 will deny it. But there is evidence to make fun off and evidence to glorify as gospel. Unlike the bible I am not in liberty to reveal my sources.

How do I know you're not getting your sources FROM the Bible?

@Benthoven SHHSSHHHH... is like the CIA used to be... You Don't Know and You Don't Want To Know. SHHSHHSSHHHH

It'll be our little secret... Unless the NSA has already backed up my hard drive... then... oops!

@Benthoven You should had not gone there... My sister is part of that NSA Mafia... good thing they are not in speaking terms with FBI anymore. You good... for now.

@GipsyOfNewSpain NSA people used to tell me that the initials of the supersecret (at that time)agency stood for "NO SUCH AGENCY"

@Benmonk he, he, he, ha, he, ha... I can not let my sister see that... because she may kick me out of her house for No Such Admittance of the Truth!!! he, he, ha.

@Benthoven Matthew 10:34

@GoldenDoll
Ah, so you're going to take one scripture COMPLETELY out of context. Who else does that? Who could it be? Could it beeeeeeeeeee... Evangelicals?

Have you ever read Matthew? Have you read Jesus manifesto aka his Sermon on the Mount?

We're thinkers here. The goal is to leave ideology behind.

@Benthoven of course I've read Matthew - the bible provides me with constant material to confirm my atheism - how is "I dont' come to bring peace but with the sword" possibly be COMPLETELY out of context. It's a straightforward sentence, with an straightforward meaning. But could you be cherry-picking? Who else does that? Who could it be? Could it beeeeeeeee.. Evangelicals? We're thinkers here. The goal is to overcome bullshit.

@GoldenDoll: First of all, If all you got is a SENTENCE, taken out of context because it fits into your ideology, then who could you be? Who could you beeeeeeeeeee? An EVANGELICAL? Just because you call yourself an atheist doesn't mean that you're still not spouting ideological bullshit.

You're a thinker: THINK. And, no, you haven't read Matthew. What little bit of the bible you probably do read, based on your own words: "the bible provides me with constant material to confirm my atheism..." you read out of the logical fallacy "Confirmation Bias." Your words. If you think that you can apply ONE sentence to a man who said WAY MORE THAN THAT, then you're just like the Evangelicals, cherry-picking the bible so that you can protect your ideology. In other words, you're an Evangelical Atheist... which is worse than an Evangelical.

Read Matthew. You'll find that Jesus... like YOU... is far more complicated than one verse paints him to be. I'm pretty sure you're not a narrow-minded, dogmatic ideologue, yet if I judge you by these two comments, then that's exactly what you are.

And it's only fair, since that's how you do it.

@Benthoven - my point (which you seem to have missed) is that the verse in matthew negates the idea that the fictional character jesus is a good person - if he was the son of a god, surely he knew how to convince his public that he was not a complicated person like me, because I'm only human. But he certainly seems to have convinced you that he actually existed, and your statement that an evangelical atheist is worse that an evangelical (christian I presume) is a shocker on this site. I wish you luck in your struggle to escape the brainwashing.

@GoldenDoll: Actually, I take it back. You're not complicated at all. This is you, right here, how you're presenting yourself. Simple, ideological, dogmatic, fanatical, intolerant and obstinate... Basically, you're an Evangelical Atheist. And yes, that's WORSE than a Christian.

This one verse allows you to paint over everything Jesus said because that's what YOU want to do. It verify's your confirmation bias. You say I'm "brainwashed," but I would love it if you'd start using yours even a little.

@Benthoven Bye benthoven, You just got really boring.

@GoldenDoll: But at least I'm not a fundamentalist funneling everything through conformation bias... and I read... with the intent to learn rather than confirm fundamentalist views.

I have to say that I agree with about everything you said there.

Great answer...

Coming to terms with reality is a very hard thing to do.

what anarchists say to give to ceasar what is ceasar's? lol

Well I'm an anarchist and don't believe in ceasar's. We are not sheep and don't need a shepherd. We need to believe in ourselves and each other.

As much as I am in tune with your thinking, I caution against falling for the Che Guevara Jesus that some like to believe in. It's one of the many Jesuses around, as I alluded to in my comment above. If the churches would become progressive rather than regressive and help fight for a better world, rather than flogging an imagined perfect afterlife (pay now, die later) then that would be something. But no, its all moralistic teachings and God is against everything new.

The need for caution is well considered. Though we are in the era for truth seeking and the search for better ways of uniting humanity, it's needs while respecting and taking care of our life giving source that is our Earth.
They can monitor us all they like, threaten or even kill but the fact remains that there are too many Jesuses in this world today but not enough crosses. Real change can only come from a united Humanity.

antifa seems to have a different idea of what "too violent" means