I see its needed..

Yeah!

@FortyTwo My first sentence is that it should just be universally legal. However, allowing the FDA to allow it to be sold as a medication opens a door that I think we need to keep closed. Allowing homeopathic "medicines" to be sold as real medicine is a travesty that we need to fight against. As it exists burden of proof for medication is identification of the active ingredients and the proper dosing of those ingredients. That is a proper intellectual position.

Your clear statement that it is almost impossible to OD on means that it should be treated the same as green tea and turmeric. If we moved to the position that that was how we treated this plant, most doctors wouldn't have an issue suggesting it to the patient and the patient wouldn't need the doctor's approval anyway. I think "medicinal marijuana" is a position that provides more good for more people than the status quo, but at a great cost and is not the intellectually defensible position.

The drug war is atrocious. I am a serious fan of the band 311 and although I don't use marijuana, I am exposed to it often and the over regulation is seriously contemptible. But my position is a result having worked in a pharmacy and seeing what people think is medicine and what is not and therefore developing an appreciation for our regulation of the title "medicine".

@FortyTwo I only looked into this briefly but I did not have confidence in the standardization of product to determine dosing with CBD. That makes presription fairly impossible as you can not determine the dose. Is that what you are talking about?

@FortyTwo I agree that it should not be Schedule 1 and NEVER should have been, I am just also opposed to letting it into any other category. If you want to classify THC, CBD and other cannabinoids as a lower classification of medication, I don't see a problem with that at all, especially considering the synthetic was dowgraded from a C2 to a C3 in 1999 and has been legal since 1985.

@FortyTwo You are putting a lot of words in my mouth and second guessing me. I know you can get labeled packages but I am not sure how reliable that labeling is. I do not know the system that sets these standards and if it can be trusted. When you prescribe a medication you are responsible and though I am not opposed to marijuana there are side effects to every medication and unknowns to consider. A prescriber is held responsible.

@DJVJ311 marijuana is a herbal medicine. Homeopathy and homeopathic remedies is a system of treatment.Some of our oldest medicines used in standard western medicine are plant derived. Digitalis is one. Taxol is a newer chemotherapeutic agent isolated I believe from the yew. Those are just two quick references. Scientists are always looking to isolate compounds from nature to use in the pharmaceutical industry. I would say that is a standard practice

@btroje I said I have no problem with the isolated compounds being properly dosed and treated as drugs. I am saying the plant is not a drug and the FDA/DEA should not treat it as such. The Coca plant is illegal. Cocaine is legal(Class 2 Narcotic). Coca is not a drug, cocaine is. Marijuana should not be a drug, THC and CBD can be and a synthetic THC has been for 30+years. My position is based on evidence necessary for drug classification requiring proper dosage.

Homeopathy is a debunked nonscientific "theory" that "like treats like" because water molecules "remember" how to treat things and where the less of an active ingredient is deemed more potent. It was better than blood letting and boring into people's skulls, so it was the best "medicine" at the time, but it has no credible evidence or theory of action.

@DJVJ311 I only stated a general idea about homeopathy because your use of the word does not make sense, I was not discussing my support or lack thereof. Please read before scolding. If you were in medicine and not IT you would know that trying to isolate silver bullet compounds from plants has not been that effective especially if you have the chance to interview patients who are seeking relief and can give you their feed back rather than just read a book or paper. THe more I carefully read on this board the more I see people acting like experts outside their fields, not using rational thinking and mostly spouting off opinions. If a plant based medicine has been effective it is because of the sum of the complex chemistry in that plant and not an isolated compound. Vitamin A iuse in relation to cardiac disease might be something to read about

@btroje I am not an expert in the chemistry or medicine directly, but I do have a larger than average exposure to the field and an understanding of the regulatory system behind it. I spent 5+ years as a certified pharmacy technician(retail, lead technician) and have done a little consulting with several PBMs and startups(software development, compliance and auditing) since I have family connections throughout managed care pharmacy. My opinion is solely based on the desire to keep our regulatory system and pharmacological field grounded in pure evidence. Also, this is not a presidential council where people should be chosen based on their expertise, but a public forum for discussion and the refinement of ideas.

I apologize if you feel I was scolding you about homeopathy, but I was simply stating the facts as they exist. Homeopathy is casually injected into conversations because people only ever get a lightweight cursory idea of what it's about and generally defining it is an effective way of removing it from otherwise intellectual conversation. It is literal placebo. I never claimed the chemicals in marijuana were homeopathy, but the strict regulation of dosing and evidence based results should not be loosened because of things like homeopathy.

I am not saying it is easy to isolate silver bullet compounds. I am saying that is the basis of pharmacology and should remain so. There is no other plant that is prescribed. There are plants that doctors recommend all the time, like plants high in fiber and high in certain vitamins. I am also not saying that the current stance that marijuana is illegal is right or defensible on any grounds or that it is beneficial to the people at large.

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