I think feminism had it's time in the sun and it is showing that it isn't need anymore. Women are not better then men they have some advantages but so do men. Men for the most part are risk takers that advance society faster because of taking risks and most women are great at running established ideas, institutions and businesses. Sure it could change in the future but that is how things are right now. I am a man so maybe I only see things tru my lense but the idea that men are disposable or less because we can't make babies is soooo wrong to me. Most people think we are overpopulated now so that would mean your argument would be turned on it's self and women are less valuable then men. Also in the near future women wouldn't need to give birth and there would still be babies. P.s. think of all the women that would be lonely and wanting a man but none would be available at all. That would be wrong too P.P.s this new feminism is creating greater push back then ever before look up mgtow, men's rights activists and other groups. Humanity would now be better served with humanism.

I think the role deference between man and woman got started long before civilization. The physical strength of a man for millions of years was a very valued commodity. Throwing a spear, packing meat, protecting the tribe, and etc. I think women were a highly valued. They gave birth, child care, kept the fire going (an important task), gathered the plant food, and even hunted if the men were injured. It was simple because people did what they were good at, for the good of the tribe.

As technology increased women could do more. The bow made it much easier to hunt, and defend the tribe. At some point men began to abuse their power, and we end up with what we have today. Even the first autos were hard for women to operate before invention the electric starter. Now days we are flooded with technology, and there really is no task that woman can not do, some women can perform better than some men. Just my 2 cents. I thought I would introduce another thread of thought.

I'd be careful about distinguishing between different flavors of "feminism," and particularly careful about equating people who think women should have equal political and economic standing with men with other people who (purportedly) advocate women having superiority. The fact of the matter is that men hold a dominant place in our culture, which is an artifact of the culture perpetuated by Our Terrible Ancestors, and this has economic and political ramifications that endure to this day.

It is possible to treat women fairly without being unfair to men. That is what nearly everyone who identifies as a "feminist wants.

Let's see:

1. the majority of women are underpaid compared to men who do the same job as them
2. women leaders are still subjected to disrespectful comments from their men peers
3. for 99.99999% of recorded history women have been second class citizens - even in matriarchal societies (e.g. the girl in the family are still held in lower standing than the boys)
4. I bet that point 3 can be applied to the time before recorded history

Context, mate. Context adds meaning to the movement.

Even if you throw facts at the current state of men v women (e.g. the Y-chromosome, what makes us men, is growing smaller at every generation), women are still much more under-appreciated than men.

I have come to terms that we are equal. How ever I think those who feel they have something to prove do a better job. I stopped paying attention to the women right movement when I saw how the same women were treating the men's rights movement. We have problems to that need to be addressed.

I will basically march until gender discrimination is judged on strict scrutiny rather than the current standard of intermediate scrutiny (a standard that they made for gender discrimination just so they would not have to judge it under strict scrutiny). Gender equality is judged on a less stringent standard than race, national origin, religion. Yes that is right, gender gets a lesser equality standard than religion.

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Imagine what life would be like if there were no gender role expectations. People opened doors, treated each other to dinner, bought flowers, were kind to people that they cared for and about regardless of their gender. imagine how much more authentic and valuable this gesture would be.

The women's movement as well as feminism is about equal rights. For all. Period. It baffles me that some men and women can't see that. I also don't believe for a second that women are superior to men. Based on discussions I've had with people in the past and my own experience from these discussions, I believe the reason why some people can't see women's movement and feminism for what it really is, is because it makes them feel uncomfortable to be in an equal position. This would require self confidence and guts. It would mean some women couldn't rely on some things that they have been taking for granted and some men would feel not needed for certain things that they need women to need them for. This concept is scary for some men and women because it threatens their value as a woman or man.

I wonder if the dawn of monotheistic religions centered around a male God is what brought about the devaluation of women? Men and women are equally important in my eyes. Statistically each gender has it's strengths and weaknesses but one is not superior to the other.

I read an article about women and men. About who matures faster. Also there was a post about it a while back.

Men can write their names in the snow while peeing.

No disrespect to your POV, just chiming in with mine:

I am now and have always been totally over the whole "battle of the sexes" bs. Male and female is what we have, they are what they are, and it's not helpful to either vilify or deify one or the other. They are both necessary. They both are. Giving them value judgments just needlessly complicates things.

I regard female worship as just as puzzling and ultimately unhelpful as misogyny. I wish we could all just be cool with each other at face value, with no overlays.

Again, no disrespect to your POV.