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Is the world becoming more atheist?

I was under the impression that this would be the case since we are more connected and everything however recently when watching the news on elections around the world and events happening I find there is still a significant portion of people with beliefs and not only that but the old fashioned conservative view even on atheists I know and I'm no longer sure if the correlation of atheists increasing with time is real

jonnylou 3 Oct 21
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If you remove religion and leave people ignorant, you have achieved nothing.

It’s tricky. Religion has been intertwined with established power. The problem with religion is that all religions are not factual, but more than that, it’s the fact that once they grow, they start to try and gain power. In many Middle Eastern countries there is almost no difference between government and established religion. In many countries within the Russian empire (also mostly in the Middle East) governments also use religion to ensure stability and control. In the Westerner world, most countries put into law the separation between churches and state. In the Western world religions seem to be declining, but there are exceptions. There are also new religions or absurd ideas gaining followers. In third world countries religions are growing in many underdeveloped countries. In many Asian countries (Russia, China, North Korea...) they have replaced religion with other forms of dominance. In China and Russia, now that it’s a little easier, many people are becoming religious. To me, a secular population that enjoys no freedom, is just as bad or even worse than a religious population even if the belief makes no sense. Yes, truth is important, but freedom is even more important. So the focus shouldn’t be on the augmenting number of atheists only, since that is good only if matched with freedom. I’d rather have a world of people free to believe in crazy things, than a world of enslaved atheist people. Ideally atheism is a consequence of freedom and secular states, not always. In many European free countries, despite growth of atheism, there is a growth of superstition, woo-woo, and other nonsensical beliefs. The key is education. logic and reason. If you take religion away without educating people, you may have outcomes that are worse than a religion. At least with established religions, you know what crazy stuff people believe, rather than having no idea what kind of crazy, dangerous stuff people will replace religion with. Many fortune tellers, charlatans, and pseudo religious figures make millions in Europe. The real enemy of religion is education. The sectors of the population that are more likely to let go of religion AND superstition AND woo-woo are the most educated people.

I repeat: If you remove religion and leave people ignorant, you have achieved nothing. Some new absurdity will replace religion.

Since I think you identify an increase int he number of atheists with progress, it’s important to understand that “more atheists” doesn’t necessarily mean the world is moving in that direction. In the future I think eventually religions will die out as a consequence of less and less ignorance.

So the real question is: is the world becoming less and less ignorant and consequently less religious?

Answer: Not sure. People are still pretty darn ignorant and it’s not getting much better.

To many the world is going to hell in a hand basket. It will get worst before it's gets better.

On the Contrary, from what boomers may think. Each generation is generally less ignorance than the one before. The third world countries have updated information access on the internet as we do. Places like China and Middle East are fastest changing than any place in the world. I think in my lifetime most people will be non believers. Most people I meet, already say they are spiritual rather than Religious.

@Castlepaloma I tend to agree that it's a matter of time, which (hopefully) brings more knowledge and less ignorance, thus, fewer believers.

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There is no mention of God in the American Constitution. Christianity is currently dying in Europe and the US may gradually follow suit. Still US has the largest Christians population in the world and congress is 99℅ Judeo/Christians. That has alot of influence on how they think. Look at Brazil the second highest population of Christians. The corruption and lack of trust of each other, is out of control.

The poorest countries of the world reach for religion, because the poor go for God. Religion itself thrives in places, individualism fails. That’s the real clash of civilisations.

Poverty and the natural environment are the greatest killers on the Planet. Religion dose not care much for neither. Like sheep, no brain/it is replace by comfortable numbness.

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I can tell you that I've been an Atheist since the 60s and without a doubt, Atheism is on the rise, and if you are willing to give it 50 years you will see a dramatic increase from today. That is assuming we get through Donald Trumps term in office of course 😉

Didn't the Pope say Trump was not a Christian. Still would want the most embarrassing ass out.

@Castlepaloma I want them both out, the Pope and Trump.

@paul1967
LOL
Pope was Times
Man of the Year.
He sounds more atheist than any other Pope before him. A believer in the Big Bang, Evolution, Aliens are our Savior, Hell dose not exist and dogs go to heaven.

Pope has a dead end job and Trump need a metal hospital.

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I had hoped but around 2015 I started noticing the rise of right wing politics , I also started to notice the rise in skepticism in science, the hostility towards unwanted facts and the rise in influence of religious organizations. It feels like we're falling into a dark age, the groups and people coming into power seem to abhor atheism and secularism ( i.e Trump/Pence,Right-Wing Republicans, Law and Order in Poland, etc ) I hope this isn't a long term trend but it is a current trend globally.

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Out of closet atheism: yes, it is growing.
Fundamentalist religions : yes its growing too
My opinion. The average level of religiosity is almost the same, but the standard deviation is growing.

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The dumbing down of America is pushing back against rational thought. Religion isn’t going away and we probably won’t properly address climate change. A species self aware enough to know they are destroying the planet and do it anyway is not one that benefits from having a big fucking brain!

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Religion is being used as a political tool to justify actions. trump, for example, is the furthest from a religious person you will ever meet, yet he clings onto Christianity to appease his base.

For leaders, religion is more about power than it is belief.

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A simple Google search would answer this. Yes.

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The US is more religious today than in 1950's. Or so it seems to me. People went to church, but still used common sense to vote. Today they use religion as a reason to vote.

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If you look at results of American polling, the fastest growing group is the "nones" - people who say they don't have a religion. Seems like many (most?) of the newbies are "spiritual but not religious" types. They can't buy the organized varieties, but can't let go of the idea of a sky daddy. Also, Trump has led an uptick in the influence of the kooky evangelical class.

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I hope it continues to rise, just to further USA's founding dream... "separate from church and state". If you are of a faith, that's fine, but stop imposing your faith based opinions/"morals" on to others who are not. The very conservative Christians in US who cling to the constitution need to truly read it if they are honoring this nation...we wanted a secularist nation. So, if Athiest and Agnostic outlooks are on the rise to facilitate the advocacy of science and secularism...
Then I find that to be more like the American Dream than any other belief at the moment.

I also realize this is a broad strokes response, but you know what I am getting at.

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Here in Oklahoma there are quite a few closet atheist but very few openly atheist people. We may be becoming more atheist but it is a very slow process. Even though I don’t agree with the religous about they’re religion most of the religous people I know are a lot better people than the left wing liberals I know.

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It's quite simple. Forget about the US perspective since its just a abut 4.5% of the world population. The regions in the world where population is growing is the poorer nations like all over Africa and south America as well as India plus Indonesia and more - where religion is growing. The more atheist areas like Northern Europe are not growing as fast or even contracting. So yes- the world is becoming more religious.

Stig Level 5 Oct 24, 2018
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let us hope we are increasing.

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I do not think the world is becoming more non-religious, aethist. But it is becoming more separated, radical, between the two groups of believers and non believers

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That's a good question

But this is not a good answer

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In some parts of the world it is growing more strongly than others. But I think you are right, Christianity in particular is going.

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Hope that's not why it's going to hell!

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Atheist are not growing that fast.
Although, non believers is the fastest growing group in the world today.

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It would be most likely for the better

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There has been a lot of atheist all along. Its so many don't want to rock the boat so they lie and go along with the lies. The rich love it because they can control the sheep easier with it!

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I fucking hope so!!!!

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As I understand it the West is becoming more non-believing, but religion is actually on the rise in some parts. Hopefully it's just a case of education in the areas where people are willing to believe in fairytales.

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As the world becomes more wealthy it becomes better educated. The end result of that should not be considered surprising.

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If you look at the statistics on religion from Pew Research Center, the "nones' are rising, but so are the Evangelicals. Mainline Protestants are losing numbers. It's like religious polarization in the U.S. is similar to the political polarization.

Orbit Level 7 Dec 2, 2018
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Most people seem to have an innate desire to believe in...something. Have you noticed how many agnostic/atheists on this site have simply transferred their belief to some other form of spirituality? Have you heard about the God gene VMAT2? I don't think the atheist utopia will ever be realized on earth unless we fundamentally change (evolve) as a species.

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