I think the religious people's power is based on them saying that God gives them power, when in fact, it is their own power. But this power is the power of ignorance and avoidance. On the other hand, we make it look like we are powerful too, so they are afraid to debate us. Admitting power comes from yourself makes you show power in a different way. The power of one, as opposed to a cheapened mass of people, can be quite classy.

Interestingly The battle between The Ptolemy and Copernican was not self evident. The Ptolemaic system worked and in terms of relativity equally valid. The point is that the Copernican system was BETTER. Whilst the ptolemaic system was pigs ear, the transit of Mars was particularly erratic. It is often the quality of a theory that makes it accepted. How it BEST fits the data.

You know, I find it interesting that the Catholics during Galileo's time, called m a heretic because of what he believed! Now, the Catholics take what he said back then as truth and fact! How does that make Catholicism look? Even eyeglasses! At first, they called them the devil's work! Now we see that they are not the devil's work, but science! And most of the Catholics, or so-called Kaplan wear glasses today, because the Pope has declared it not the devil's work!

In general, all of Catholicism is b*** to me because of things like this! And that's just the tip of the iceberg!

Back then it was not a iterate crowd and there were no libraries and such, To expect that back then in one thing but to find, today, we have a crowd of conservatives who choose to NOT read, NOT research, and NOT watch real news
the Scientist today are quite aware of this situation and many top ones are moving to Europe, One scientist I heard recently was asked why he went to Europe, for the money?. His answer was that in Europe evolution is not even questioned where as in the US they continue to debate it. I need an environment based on truth.

In reality, the contemporary Pope believed him and appreciated his intellect and abilities; however, it was a Cardinal in Naples (then a significant power in the catholic world) who made a big stink. So religion and politics mucked things up once again. Another example fir a strict adherence to separation if church and state

In reality, the contemporary Pope believed him and appreciated his intellect and abilities; however, it was a Cardinal in Naples (then a significant power in the catholic world) who made a big stink. So religion and politics mucked things up once again. Another example fir a strict adherence to separation if church and state

There are definite similarities. Not only are huge sections of science disbelieved "'cuz Bible" but, especially in the arena of global warming, a lot of disinformation is spread in the name of the most almighty religion - Capitalism.

While doing the right thing by supporting life, health, and safety on the planet would bring about the greatest return on investment in terms of real rewards. having to drag our feet while people figure out how to do this while showing a financial profit on the next quarter could easily kill us all.

An echo, a mirror, a threat.

This is such an important question. Life on this planet hangs in the balance. Short sightedness and greed motivate those that lead the deniers. Then the Catholic Church saw a threat to its existence. Today there is a faction of Catholic environmentalists including the Pope. Today all the steps we can take to ward off global warming are a threat to big oil and other big corporations. They care only for their huge wealth today and care nothing for tomorrow or people or the sanctity of life. Then there's Monsanto - company that discovered that food is even a more effective way to steal wealth. Twisting science, selectively picking and choosing scientific data to serve their own ends is the mainstay of their success. After suppressing scientific investigations they proclaim science as their savior. Likewise, big Pharma does the same. The day will come when the obscenely priced chemo will meet its doom. I have seen a documentary by a former executive of Sloan Kettering telling how positive tests of laetrile were deliberately suppressed, as an example. Suppressing test results that do not serve is rampant in all these corporations.

The Church was corrupt with power then as he State is now. The only thing that keeps the state from locking up climate scientists today is the eminence of liberal thought. Tomorrow, who knows?

Okay.

Frankly, that’s not even the largest issue— it’s the scientific illiteracy, antivax, antievolution, flat earth, AND climate change... the challenge is how to convince them that the glass tower of people lying is at the center of their pew and altar.