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The point about confirmation bias rings true to me. If you start by believing something without any real basis, it is a psychological fact that you will then seek confirmatory facts and reject contrary ones, thereby reducing the possibility of ever correcting yourself. The question then becomes: does it matter? I’m not sure how “morality” fits into the discussion, though. The article sort of skirts that claim, which is the purported thesis of the essay.

Rghurst Level 5 Mar 26, 2019
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I have no problem with people believing without evidence; it's when they insist they are right without evidence that causes a problem. There are a lot of situations in life that force us to choose without sufficient evidence to know what is the best choice. We very often have to move forward not knowing for sure if what we believe is correct really is. What makes the difference is whether we are open-minded or whether we are just damn sure we are right, no matter what.

Good point.

beLIEf is the enemy of all life...beLIEvers are dangers to themselves and others beCAUSE they "insist they are right without evidence"
for example, heliocentrists...they all swallowed wholesale without examination a theory that has NEVER been proven and which all the facts in physical evidence (easily found/discerned by anyone who takes the time to try) DISprove...
all it takes to destroy any theory is ONE fact...
but try pointing any of them out to a globeTARD...and you will get to see them in cog D
woo-wee.they are all rude ignorant bullies who can't back a damn thing they say but hate folks who hand them facts on a silver platter

and they take $20 billion every year and hand it over to the US military..who give us in exchange cheap, crappy CGI lying cartoons

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Unfortunately, this article does not clarify what would constitute sufficient evidence, or what would be a test for sufficient evidence for a belief. If I get to determine what is sufficient evidence, then everything I believe has sufficient evidence to convince me, and therefore everything I believe is always morally right.

True. I just thought it was a thought-provoking article.

i've not read the article yet..sometimes i read folks comments before doing so...

but a fact is what YOU CAN discern/verify with your OWN senses

no one knows anything they've not discerned themSELVES

@traceyanarchist But if that is all there is to it, then facts simply come down to subjective discernment independent of objective verification. Haven't you ever met someone who saw things differently than you or heard things differently than you. In their own minds they HAD verified things with their own senses, yet the subjectivity remained. Does that make it a fact? If so, then we are all entitled to our own facts according to our own perception.

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Oh lord . . .

I thought I was done with this apistevistY crap.

Mb_Man Level 6 Nov 13, 2018
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This is what all churches call faith.

Marine Level 8 Nov 9, 2018

Yes, but there are beliefs we all carry that have nothing to do with religion.

@tnorman1236 If they are based on faith ,hearsay and are lacking proof or investigation there of it isn't any different.

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REALLY?
We all believe many things without any evidence (if you mean scientific evidence)
We believe that bills and coins have a value; that Belgium exists; that laws apply; that there are human rights; that Emmanuel Macron is Le Président de la République française ....
And the only 'evidence' we have for these beliefs: that other people believe it too (and there are documents written by those other people)

Matias Level 7 Nov 8, 2018

Very true I was not thinking in this manner.

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To believe something/anything without tangible, irrefutable, empirically tried and tested proof/evidence is the epitome of Utter Idiocy and a blight upon human intellect.

Triphid Level 8 Nov 7, 2018
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  1. Andrew Wakefield and autism
  2. Hitler and the Jews
  3. Pol Pot and economics
  4. Mother Teresa of Kolkata and orphans
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From the late great Carl Sagan.
"I don't want to believe, I want to know".

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"Morally wrong"? How about just plain stupid?

That too

@Donotbelieve . . . And the foundation of religion.

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‘it is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence’

It's giving 'Justified, True, Belief' a moral slant. I don't think these epistemology terms work well as moral theory, which I think ought to be concerned with the will, rules/principals, intentions/motives and results/consequences.

cava Level 7 Nov 7, 2018

I see what you mean, but I still think he was making an important observation.

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I love that expression about the spreading of religion as 'polluting the well of collective knowledge'.

brentan Level 8 Nov 7, 2018

Yep.

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