Did you not read the article ?

@Moravian what part are you referring to?

Meddling in their politics has given rise to the 'hate america' sentiment.

@Earthling50 The bit that says the current turmoil is caused by historical interference by western govts. and you are blaming their religion and politics

@Moravian what you forget is that their religion drives their politics - its all rolled into one; for the most part they have no separation of state and church.

@Earthling50 I haven't forgotten anything. I am well aware of that. Politics and religion are poisonous mixture and theocracies such as Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are horrible places to live. What the writer is saying is that it is the interference by the west that has caused most of the conflict. Iran, Iraq, Syria and Libya were secular states until America and the UK intervened.
The CIA backed coup in Iran in 1953 which installed the obnoxious Shah was purely about control of the oil reserves. How dare the Iranians want to control their own oil.
The Islamic revolution was a result of his US backed fascist Govt.
Bush and Blair's invasion of Iraq resulted in the formation of ISIS and the deaths of millions of people.

The US has backed the rebels in Syria who are trying to overthrow Assad which has resulted in the deaths of millions and the devastation of the country.

The US and the UK are supplying Saudi Arabia with the armaments to fight their proxy war with Iran in the Yemen which is causing a humanitarian crisis in the country.

The US backed the rebels who overthrew Gaddafi and there has been a civil war in the country since.
Look at the facts before you simply blame religion and politics in those countries

@Moravian Blame the US and UK all you want but don't forget that each of those countries & regimes played a major role in allowing the situation. No one has to yes to the carrots dangled in front of them, but corrupt leaders do. For all their religious talk they fall for temptation at the expense of their people. Sickening.

@Earthling50 It's very easy for us living comfortable cosseted lives in the West with mature democracies to criticize much younger countries. The USA is a special case because the European settlers just moved in and displaced the existing inhabitants but Europe was at war for centuries before peace reigned after WW2. Even then we had the Balkan wars. This video is a bit long but it is an insiders view of the American empire and it's caustic effect

@Moravian The audio is terrible on the video link you provided making it hard to hear the discussion/questions. The talk however, is similar to many along this line; while it provides good information, it's not balanced or broad enough to provide the bigger picture so you're left drowning in detail and basically angry at the end because it becomes all about blame but not shared blame. You say its "easy for us living comfortable cosseted lives in the West with mature democracies to criticize much younger countries". I don't buy that excuse; those societies have operated within their own self made systems in brutal ways via tribalism & imperialism which continue to this day. Democracy has been a long hard fought ideology and legal system we are fortunate to have which evolved in great measure from Christianity. The war in the Balkans that you brought up was very much a war of religious ideology. [bartleby.com]

@Moravian if you want to discuss the topic that's fine but keep your name calling and judgement out of this.
Whether you like it or not, Christianity absolutely did help establish the democracy we enjoy... below are a a couple of links to help you understand that fact. And yes the US does meddle in other countries affairs but would not get very far IF leaders had integrity and put their people first vs caving in to every bait dangled before them. China is on the world scene doing the same thing ...China's in Africa like never before; China is aggressively trying to occupy Kashmir (but so is India & Pakistan) - that's an example of governmental and corporate imperialism.
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@Earthling50 I didn't expect to see examples of blatant Christian propaganda posted as being a positive thing on this site.. Why do you think the US constitution deliberately separated church and state ?
Of course China are in Africa, but not with troops, with businessmen. Namibia, one if the poorest countries in Africa is selling uranium to China and benefitting greatly from it. The US farmers also benefitted by selling soya to China until Trump's ill advised tariff war.

The situation in Kashmir is a result of the British Raj and their hopeless handling of partition in 1947.

You talk about imperialism. This is a summary of US imperialism round the world.Facts which can easily be checked

"Despite recently closing hundreds of bases in Iraq and Afghanistan, the United States still maintains nearly 800 military bases in more than 70 countries and territories abroad—from giant “Little Americas” to small radar facilities. Britain, France and Russia, by contrast, have about 30 foreign bases combined."

@Moravian ...Christian propaganda? I'm no fan of religion but history is history and Christianity absolutely shaped democracy. But of course you won't consider that because of your hate for religion. Don't expect any further communication from me; I don't find it useful or informative to engage with you. Rudeness is a turnoff.

@Earthling50 Not Christian propaganda ?? This is a paragraph from one of the links :-

           The idea that there is only one God “may well have been the single most important innovation in history. For our purposes monotheism’s importance lies primarily in the fact that it is the only viable source of absolute truth. Only a single creator God can establish such truths. Monotheism also allowed for the formation of the rule of law, whereby God stands over and above His creation, and establishes immutable laws that are equally applicable to all people without exception.4 With no such conception of God and His law, individual people or cultures occupy God’s throne, dispensing justice as they see fit. Man-made laws are as changeable as the human mind and may not be applicable to the ruling power.

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