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As of now I'm Agnostic. Wondering if I should fully convert to Atheism. Thoughts? Or facts please? Thanks in advance.

AtheistLJ 5 Mar 1
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There is no time limit on learning. Let it come naturally as you go through your personal journey. Humanity and science is still evolving and discovering new information. You'll get there when you get there. 🙂

Betty Level 8 Mar 1, 2018
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convert....such a word....I don't think atheism has a heiriarchy like catholicism or judaism...so you don't have to get permission...my first thought would be to look at how you see The Question. I think converting is for people who feel they have the answer. So maybe 'converting to atheism' is apt. That's a big maybe....as is everything else.

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Make it your own decision. Nothing will be stronger.

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It isn't a matter of Religion or Atheism. Religion is history for us and has nothing whatsoever to do with an interpretation of the Cosmos. You are free to think and feel and come up with your very own ideas. Just open up and think and live. Deciding on any particular belief with a name only limits you. It makes is easy. Well, it is easy to just live and keep open to what comes to you. Just catch it.

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Logically, atheism is really untennable. agnosticism makes more sense to me

I think you might be confusing antitheism with atheism.

Only if you view atheists as close minded and unwilling to accept new evidence to change their minds if warranted. Atheism is logical.

I don’t think so. @Sheitelhau

@Gatovicolo are you saying that you're a theist then? Agnosticism and atheism are not mutually exclusive. There are agnostic theists and agnostic atheists. Atheism-theism is a matter of belief and agnosticism-gnosticism is a matter of certainty.

Atheism is a matter of certainty without proof while agnosticism is the acknowledgement of the impossibility of proof. @Sheitelhau

@Gatovicolo No, you're simply wrong, even down to the etymology of the word.

In this variation of the word, the prefix "a-" means "without or opposite," with the distinction being "or" from the prefix "anti-." For example, "asocial" refers to an indifference or aversion to social activity, whereas "antisocial" refers solely to aversion to social activity.

Furthermore, the term originated as a designation of those that did not follow the popular religion of Greece, later applied by the Romans to the growing Christian communities.

Your definition of atheism also ignores the ideas of "positive" and "negative" atheism, with the positive claiming certainty and the negative claiming uncertainty.

If you have no foundation for your asserted definition, I'd suggest you check out the work the work of one of the many atheistic speakers of our day. Richard Dawkins is a good example of a reputable agnostic atheist, and I think there's a lot for anyone to gain from his work. The Atheist Experience is a favorite of mine, and they have quite a few episodes archived on YouTube.

Not really. @Sheitelhau

@Gatovicolo Haha, alright then

Given I didn’t define anything, your assertion has no base. I suggest you look into the Oxford dictionary of philosophy rather than you-tube to get your information, but that’s just me. You could also just read the appropriate sections of Wikipedia, they parallel the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, but Wikipedia has a pretty bad reputation. Maybe you could read the appropriate sections of a History of Modern Philosophy. @Sheitelhau

"Atheism is a matter of certainty without proof while agnosticism is the acknowledgement of the impossibility of proof." That looks like a basic definition to me.

I did as you said and looked through a History of Modern Philosophy, and from the wording of the text, the author seems to have a negative bias toward atheism. The vast majority of it's mentions are needlessly derogatory in the context of the passages they come from.

Looking through the Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy, Atheism is not referred to as anything claiming certainty that god doesn't exist but the mere belief that he doesn't exist. It even begins the passage saying that the common usage of the term is not inconsistent with agnosticism. It says "A stricter sense denotes a belief that there is no God," which is consistent with the idea of strong and weak atheism.

I think there's more to these concepts than what you've decided on. Agnosticism does not preclude the belief or disbelief in god.

Having been raised and educated in the Catholic Church, I can say that it asserts in it's dogma that there is no way to be certain of anything regarding their god (the sacred mysteries), even his existence, but that doesn't stop them from believing in that god. In this way they are dogmatically agnostic theists. Although, a priest of Catholicism will most likely preach gnostic theism in his homilies. The latter stance is unsatisfying in its arbitrary nature, and the former simply tries to obfuscate the arbitrary bits.

I would like to say that I'm sorry if I've come off as offensive to you, as I think I might have. My friends say I have no tact when presenting my ideas, and I agree. I hope you can look past this and speak to my points. @Gatovicolo

You’re entitled to your opinion. Have a nice day. @Sheitelhau

@Gatovicolo nah, you miss the point entirely. I don't want my opinion. At any point I have no way of saying that anything at all that I believe is valid. I want to combat my own opinions with the opinions of others, and if my opinions lose it is to my benefit.

Bugger off mate. @sillysketcher

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Considering that all religions are man made, you could definitely become an atheist. That said, I would continue to do research and explore what is going on inside you. Look at the factors that are causing your doubts. Also look at why you have not taken that final step and become an atheist. Perhaps the old fears of retribution by an angry god could still be there.

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I grew up in an a Athiest family and never knew the hardship of leaving a religion. I sympathize with how you feel and bid you welcome.

Gohan Level 7 Mar 1, 2018
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The hard truth is that there is an awful lot of prejudice against atheism should you choose to go down that path. If you decide to, you must be able to articulate clearly and defend yourself against the huge amount of ignorance surrounding all religion. That being said, there is a clarity in shedding superstition and embracing science and empirical data. The universe (In my opinion) becomes more awe inspiring and just beautiful. Good luck on your journey!🙂

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There is no "should". Some time with research, and closely examining your own feelings might help you find the right path for YOU. No requirement to "follow the crowd" - too much of that already !

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No conversion needed. at this point you question the possibility that there is a god. be comfotable that you have taken that step. later you may decide that the whole idea of god is a crock which is fine. enjoy the joy and calm that you have found in deciding that the idea is in question.

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Possible to be both. I've copied this from a previous comment I made on another post:

It's a video comment of a YouTuber fan, Rationality Rules, to David Mitchell (a well known Comedian) who claims to be Agnostic but not Atheist. Mitchell explains that it is more rational to be Agnostic because we could never know for certain.

Rationality Rules, explains that: "...Theism and Atheism address what you believe. Gnosticism and Agnosticism address what you assert to know...."

He makes an example addressing Mitchell directly: "...If I ask you if you believe in a god, and your answer is 'no', then you're an Atheist. And if you answered 'I don't know', then you haven't answered the question. Either you believe or do not believe. That is, either you're a theist or an atheist. And how certain you are in your belief, that is: how Gnostic or Agnostic you are, is a completely different question. And so since you don't believe in a god or gods, you are an Atheist..."

Jump to 4m 25s of this video.

I can be any of these:
a: a non-believer because there's no proof yet of existence of a god - an Agnostic Atheist
b: a non-believer because I know there's no proof - a Gnostic Atheist
c: a believer because there's no proof yet of non-existence of a god - an Agnostic Theist
d: a believer because I know there's proof of a god. (I hear his voice every morning.) - a Gnostic Theist

Theism/atheism is an answer to "Do you believe?" And Gnosticism/Agnosticism is an answer to "How certain are you of that belief?"

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