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Suicide- thoughts?

What is your first response upon hearing someone has attempted suicide or is contemplating suicide?

Do you think "they need help" or "they just want attention"??

I suffer from Major Depressive Disorder, Social Anxiety Disorder and PTSD and a shit ton of other issues if you've seen the list I posted a few days back.

On another thread, a troll accused me of being a narcissistic attention whore by admitting to the 20+ suicide attempts in my 37 years.

Currently recovering from one.

There have only been three major attempts I.e. hospitalization required.

The first, I was 15 years old. My sister (two years older) and I got into a fight. Our mom sent me to stay with my brother (eight years older) and his wife.

My mom had just filled my prescriptions in preparation for the three week visit.

One day, I became extremely depressed. My brother had barked at me about something. There was some stressor in his life and I happened to be there when he vented it out. I thought I was at fault.

That afternoon, he and his wife left for some time, can't remember why. I decided I was no longer worthy of life. My prescriptions were Clonidine, Zoloft and Ambien. There were about 236 pills total. I took all of them.

That was at 4:30 pm. They returned home, thought I was sleeping and let me be. They didn't discover what I'd done until 7:30 pm, my scheduled dosage.

My brother's wife thought she had medical knowledge because she was an aide in a nursing home.

She told my brother to strip me to my skivvies and stick me in a tub of ice.

The pills weren't what almost killed me. It was the pneumonia from the immersion in ice.

They did not call my mother or 911 until noon the next day.

I had an extended stay in the hospital and psych ward.

The next major attempt was 2006. I was 25. My mom had passed away in 2004 and I was living with family friends, like my second parents.

I'd attended the fall of 2005 and spring of 2006 semester's of junior college but was very scared I couldn't hack it during the summer semester since it goes by much faster (a matter of weeks compared to a few months in a regular semester) and the hours for the class go from one hour in length to four. So, I decided to take the summer (two months) off. But, that meant no employment because I'd been doing work study.

My "dad" and "mom" were on the verge of retirement, from Lockheed Martin and a school teacher, respectively.

My dad was terrified they wouldn't be able to support three people for two months until school started again. He gave me an ultimatum- get a job or move out. I did everything I could to find employment, including, but not limited to, walking fifteen miles from their house to downtown, putting in applications along the way. I was unsuccessful.

I didn't want to move out because I had nowhere to go and knew I would be homeless. I'd previously dated someone who'd been homeless during our relationship. I knew what that life was like and did not want to be homeless.

So, started planning my suicide. Wal-Mart, Walgreens and CVS for two bottles (the purchase limit) of Tylenol Simply Sleep from each.

I drafted an email specific to everyone I knew, not a generalized one for the masses.

I continued to attend classes and take final exams and go to work at my work study job in the provost's office.

My cover story was I was moving to Houston to be with someone I'd met online.

On May 31, 2006, around midnight, I began popping handfuls of pills in-between trips to my mom's bedroom to use her computer to send the previously drafted emails.

Email's all done, I took some more pills and got in bed. It's estimated I got 50 to 100 pills in me (I'd had a bowl of 600).

My "mom" found me when she returned home from work the next afternoon. She'd thought I'd left for Houston while she was at work so went to the bedroom to see if I'd left it in disarray and found me.

I was taken to John Peter Smith (JPS) Hospital, the county hospital here in Fort Worth, Texas. Spent a couple days being treated after having my stomach pumped. Once I was medically cleared, I was transferred to the tenth floor psych ward, which is nothing but five leather recliners and about twenty table chairs in a big open space with a TV mounted on the wall, for the obligatory three day stint.

While on the tenth floor, I formed blisters all over my body (I was later told it was an allergic reaction to the OD).

The biggest blister was the size of half a golf ball at the base of the right thumb. There's nothing to do on the psych ward and I have an obsession with popping things. So, I popped the blisters and pulled the skin off.

Ended up being transferred to a treatment floor for infection. Cellulitis. Which led to nerve, bone and muscle damage.

My thumb is perpendicular to my palm. Even the doctor's don't know what this is or how it happened. I'm a medical anomaly. But, that's another discussion.

I spent a month in the hospital. When I was released, I became homeless anyway. From July 1, 2006 - March 7, 2009.

The next attempt was this past Christmas Eve.

I had the second surgery to the aforementioned hand on October 9, 2017 and had to go on medical leave. Couldn't receive FMLA because I was hired May 20, 2017. Two weeks after my surgery was my six months. You're not eligible for employee benefits until your sixth consecutive month of employment. But, can't actually apply until your eighth month.

I work in an Albertsons grocery store.

I returned to work Wednesday, December 20th and the following Saturday I.e. Christmas Eve Eve.

That Friday night, I knew there was no reason for me to live. Nothing left to live for, except my cat, Smokey. I have no family and no friends. No life. Work. Sleep. Smokey. Facebook. That's it.

Saturday morning, I sat on the couch sobbing for an hour because I didn't want to leave Smokey alone. Then, I went to work.

The whole day, the only thing on my mind was what I would do once I got home. Continued to greet customer's and pretend to be cheerful and hyper. But, inside, I felt nothing but deep, deep sadness. Nothingness.

Off work at 7 pm. Caught bus. Home by 7:30.

I was honestly too tired to write the note. I reset the alarm clock for an hour earlier than normal and went to bed.

Woke up at 6 am Christmas Eve morning, made my coffee and wrote my note while drinking the coffee. Hooked the note to a random picture nail so Smokey wouldn't tear it up.

Changed my voicemail greeting to "This is Melissa Bates. I'm sorry I missed your call. If you're receiving this message, I'm already dead. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year." Then, unlocked the door. I did both things specifically so Smokey would be found and not starve.

I underwent eight surgeries in the year 2017 so I was quite blessed with a veritable pharmacy.

After I finished all the prep work, I sat down at the kitchen table and took a whole bottle of amitriptyline (a sleep aid), Tylenol 3's, Hydrocodone, Trazodone with an Ondansetron (anti-nausea dissolvable pill) chaser.

All totaled, an estimated 150 pills.

That was at 7 am. I went to bed.

I'd been scheduled to work that day. Was supposed to be there at 11:45.

An hour after I didn't show up, my store director became concerned because I'm always an hour early due to the bus.

She attempted to call me and left a voicemail but my greeting didn't register in her head.

She went back to work, got busy. Couple hours went by. Called again and finally "heard" the voicemail greeting. Called several more times.

Then, called 911 to request a welfare check. They said they'd call her with their findings.

Went back to work. Got busy. Few more hours passed. Realized she hadn't heard back from the cops.

Called again. They told her the welfare check was in the queue, on the to-do list. She laid into them about my possible suicide.

They said they'd call her back.

Back to work. Got busy. Several more hours. 7:45, they called and reported their findings.

She's unsure when they found me compared to when they called her but probably within the hour. Still..... twelve hours after the attempt. My heart had stopped. They had to perform CPR. I was almost there.....

I went into the hospital for a few days for stomach pumping and treating pneumonia, again, then transferred to Trinity Springs Pavilion (TSP), the county hospital's in-house psychiatric treatment facility, different from the aforementioned tenth floor.

My Major Depressive Disorder is so pervasive that, even when I'm working, I've always got "those" thoughts floating around in the back of my head. Or, as my counselor says, they're knocking on the door but I haven't opened the door and invited them in for tea.

Everyone, myself included, thinks I need more intensive treatment, such as a thirty day in-patient treatment facility. But, I need to pay bills. My electricity was off the day I came home from treatment (January 4th).

I found this site and mydisabilitymatters.com seeking a social outlet and support network.

As I said at the beginning, there have been about twenty or so attempts but they only resulted in a lot of vomiting or sleeping through a college class. No one ever knew.

So, again, I ask, what is your first response when you hear about this? Have you ever been personally affected by suicide?

And, before you ask, I'm okay. I'm "surviving" more than anything. I'm getting help via MHMR (Mental Health Mental Retardation here in Texas). I've got a shrink I see once a month. A counselor I see every Thursday. And, a team of caseworkers who check on me daily.

Since my modus operandi is poison and pills, my caseworker had my mom confiscate my bottles of Aleve, Tylenol and Ibuprofen this past Tuesday. She (the caseworker) threatened me with another hospital admission if I didn't.

When I was in TSP, they changed my meds. MHMR pays for those two scripts (there are numerous others but they're not psych meds so, not covered.) I was signed up for delivery for the past two months. But, at last Wednesday's shrink appointment, my caseworker and shrink agreed it would be best to confiscate my scripts, as well. So, now, instead of the convenience of delivery, I have to go to the MHMR location I'm treated from and get two sets of weekly pill boxes prefilled with my scripts.

I returned to work this past Friday. Got a promotion and a raise. Cashier to Inventory Coordinator. My store director knows everything, obviously. She told all the managers. I've been completely open and honest with my co-workers. I want people to understand how mental illness can affect anyone. That cashier you see who's hyper, laughing, smiling, making jokes and all around "happy" may not be happy at all.

I also know that ensuring everyone knows gives me a further barrier to another attempt. If they support me and watch out for me, they'd be the first to see a change since they're the only people I ever see on a regular basis.

I still never stop thinking everyone would be better off without me burdening their lives. It'd be better if I were dead because I wouldn't suffer through the physical pain, mental pain or, even worse, having to defend myself to trolls who think I'm just throwing a pity party.

Melbates 7 Mar 1
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I've only had thoughts of suicide once. I had gone on vacation and, in my sense of leisure, stopped taking my Prozac prescription. Also, I got a bit of intestinal flu. Thus, the 3rd day I was knocked out with fatigue and while in bed, began to feel suicidal in the most discrete way. It was so unusual and out of character. While I assigned the cause to the intestinal flu, I suddenly realized it was the withdrawal from the Prozac. I immediated took the capsule and very quickly recovered. Ten months later, I very gradually got myself off that shit. Bottom line: the thoughts of suicide represent a neurochemical imbalance. Having done some informal testing, I recommend CBD extract, preferably from a CBD dominant cannabis strain (not Hemp) in order to contain some small percent of THC (caution, the THC is the psychoactive part). If that doesn't help, consider trying THCA extract if you can find it. THCA & CBD are not psychoactive, but the cannabinoids may constructively interact (probably mis-identified as the Entourage Effect). Good luck.

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That is a case by case answer for me....

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I hear you. I hope you feel better.

I know I said this before... Please never hesitate to call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-8255 Available 24 hours everyday

To chat online with a counsellor, click here: [suicidepreventionlifeline.org]

The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline website: [suicidepreventionlifeline.org]

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First to answer you question, then to give you the insights as to my answer.
My first thought when I hear of an attempt at suicide, be it successful or not is that here is a person in pain. A person that feels as though they are more trouble than they're worth to the world, their friends and their family. Even in the case of attention seeking people, the pain is still real and a real attempt is altogether likely. Minus the true narcissists that jut want people to revolve around them.
I have had two honest attempts in my life.
When I was 14 I tried living with my mother. That ended in me straddling her and choking her while screaming I loved her. Quite the mess. I took everything I could find in my mother's pill box. About a hundred in all. Turns out none of the pills in question are lethal as anything useful for that is abusable and long gone. Stomach pumped. A spell in the path ward. Blah.
The second came after I jome-hospiced my Grandmother (Who raised me.) and my Great Aunt Betty withing two months of one another. In that time my gf of 8 years chose to cheat and leave me. After the first and before the second. The timing was what finished me. That time I took pills that would most definitely work. The leftover Morphine, Dilaudid and many many others. Within those two months I basically had to dehydrate to death the only two family members that both said they lived me and meant it. My sister lives with me during that time. She didn't bother to check on me for two days. I eventually called my ex and got her there. Believing I was drunk she bought me Steak-N-Shake and hot me to sleep. In the morning I started foaming at the mouth and having seizures. Then she realized I wasn't lying about what I'd done. After two days there's nothing a doctor can do for you. I simply survived. People tell me it wasn't my time but I just think my abuse of opiates prepped my body to survive. At any rate I'm still here.
Since July I have envied the dead. I left my fiancée in an attempt to protect myself from the heartbreak of infidelity. That failed but is a whole other story. I am currently addicted to heroin. I have upped my dose to the pint of breaking myself and being sick pointlessly in a half-assed suicide attempt(s). I recently caught myself a felony possession of a controlled substance. The irony is that now that I have a record, I can actually get into a rehab like I've been attempting for two months. I still don't want to live, but I also don't want my kids to lose me. Despite the fact that their mother lives them a hundred miles away and in with the first man that would allow her to live free and not work. I've only seen them once. Mostly due to me failing at life from dope. I know I need to get clean and I'm trying. But my failure keeps me from them. I don't want them to have to hurt by seeing me. I'm a failure. But I can improve. That's why I'm grateful for my felony charge. The rehabs around here have five months waiting lists. The felony gets me in upon my court date. Shame it had to go that way but I'm still grateful.

I want to die almost constantly. I am only alive and have not attempted again because of my kids. My live for them is stronger than my depression. The depression is caused by my live for them. Oh yeah, I envy the dead.

I wish to tell you that life can become worthwhile again. Obviously you need help with the chemical imbalance but moreso you need someone or someones to be there for you that understand. It is of the utmost help I have found. I wish you the best. Hang in there. You're not alone when you just barely survive each day. I promise you.

I am so sorry. My deepest condolences for your losses. I honestly have no words for the rest. That must have been quite hard to be so honest. Quite a big step for someone in your position.

Ty Melbates. I have found it immensely helpful to vocalize my pain over the years. Like crying it gives a release of stress.

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I'm so sorry to hear about these experiences and holy fuck, what do people get from being hostile to someone who is suicidal?!
I'm glad you are getting help and seem to have some support systems that are working for you. I'm studying to be a therapist and hope that I can help tether people to hope who feel like they don't have any.
Much love to you. Always keep fighting. ❤️❤️❤️

Thank you very much. BTW, the site doesn't like emojis.

@Melbates Okay! Good to know!

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From trying to kill myself and self harm and panic attacks and depression and substance abuse all I see is you need help and it doesnt matter why at all. there are a lot of people who mock you who have never been threw any of it and people talk about everyone. I let it slide off of me like water off a duck back. fuck what people think. to you your important. if you really wanted to die you would be dead ie jump off a tall building or something so part of you wants to live.people have real trouble with mental problems because it scares them because they don't understand. all I can say is if you want it there really is light at the end of the tunnel even if its a very long tunnel and the right people will want to help you. forget the rest. take care

It's amazing how even fellow depression sufferers can also have preconceived notions about suicide. Jumping off a building doesn't ensure death. There's more of a chance of ending up hospitalized, disabled and a vegetable than using poison or pills. There's no one right or wrong way to kill yourself. My choice is poison and pills for fear of the pain from a gunshot, a car wreck or jumping from a high point. My choice doesn't mean I don't want to die. It means I don't want the process to be painful. I was released from the hospital January 4th and I still feel like I'm just procrastinating until the next attempt. I hope that clarifies things for you.

@Melbates That makes perfect sense to me. Once it is loosed, the black dog is hard to get back into its kennel.

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WoW !  What an increadable heart wrenching story. I read every word and I do hope that sharing your trauma has gone a little way to helping you to find a small measure of peace.  I am pleased to see you are obviously under the care of many specialists.  To a very minor degree I have experienced similar thoughts as you, due to debilitating depression. My thoughts are with you and I do wish you the very best in health improvements. With lots of love from New Zealand.
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I cling to the idea of suicide as a final escape. My dad had Alzheimer's and I have kidney disease, with the distinct possibility of dialysis in my future. Suicide is there if I need to escape from either of those possibilities. I am alone, no kids, no spouse, no siblings. There is no reason for me to endure suffering in order to spend more time with anyone.

I have the exact same mindset. If I were to ever become ill with some interminable disease, I'd rather die at my own hand than spend years in agony. I probably will end up in that position due to several illnesses having a higher than normal chance of causing cancer. I'm sorry to hear about your health issues, though.

(((Hugs)))

Yes. Ultimately, I want to be the arbiter of my lifespan. If I know I have a terminal condition, I am not going to wait around to go out slowly and painfully.

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No one knows what is going on in another's life, unless they ask. Everyone's pain is different, and for some is too difficult to bear. One of my nephews committed suicide because his girlfriend cheated on him with a friend of his.
You are dealing with self-worth issues. Those are debilitating. I have dealt with then my entire life. I have not gotten to the point you have reached, and I am not making comparison, I simply mean to say I understand the emotions.
That you are seeking a counselor is hopeful, but you need to find reasons to fight. You have an effect on people's lives, enough so that your manager prodded the police to check on you. Enough that you were given a promotion. You matter to someone.

Thank you for your kind words.

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I don't look for ways to de-legitimize other people's pain. I can acknowledge that they're in pain without necessarily endorsing their reasoning or bad decisions that make some part of that pain self-inflicted. I understand that I'm my own worst enemy, too. It's called "epistemological humility".

That said if I knew you well enough to be straight with you about some way(s) in which you might be undermining yourself, I'd do so.

Feel free to let loose.

@Melbates My entire point is that I DON'T know you that well.

@mordant LOL I know but some people think that doesn't matter and they can still make snap judgements. C'mon!! Join the party!! Take all your life's stress out on me. LOL

@Melbates In debate or discussion, theists very often claim to know what my thoughts are and what motivates me and what I feel and why. They insist that I'm angry or hateful or licentious or duplicitous with no evidence other than that I'm an atheist. The same thing happens when people who (to their knowledge) aren't mentally ill, evaluate the mentally ill. They assume someone with mental health issues is violent when in fact as a whole they are less violent, that they're self-absorbed simply because their inner world dominates their attention (one almost imagines these accusers would not jump up and down and scream with the best of them if someone smashed their thumb with a hammer), and so on.

People always look for difference to the exclusion of similarities. It's human nature. So it goes.

@mordant can I have you by my side at all times so as to explain this to everyone???? I've never heard it worded any better!!

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Of course they need help, but I understand some people say that pityingly or condescendingly. My first response is generally to ask whats wrong/why do you feel that way/can i do anything to help or to say im here to listen or something along those lines. I have attempted suicide a number of times myself. I have friends who have attempted. I had a friend who succeeded. Just keep doing what you're doing - kudos to you on being so open and brave.

Sadly, there are some depression sufferers, such as myself, who don't have, or need, an instigating incident to lead to an attempt, as exhibited by the most recent attempt. So, although your inquiry of "what's wrong" would be appreciated as a kindness, we wouldn't be able to give you an answer. We're deeply shrouded in that depression cocoon.

And, what I'm "doing" is surviving which makes my depression worse because I know I deserve better, I just haven't figured out how to get there.

Thanks. But, I don't consider it bravery. I'm just extremely open and honest. And, I'm hoping to educate people about mental illness, especially depression. Sadly, there's more of a stigma with depression/suicide than any other mental illness. Society can accept and understand someone who sees/hears things that aren't there. But, they can't wrap their head around how someone's brain can be so mis-wired, they can't stop thinking their death is the best thing for them and everyone else.

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I have mainic depression. My coping mechanism is to plan and pull off some epic vacation. It sometimes takes years to get everything gathered and arranged. The buildup is part of the therapy. I have to plan, build things, gather things, arrange things. The current project is at least 3 years to tour the Maine coast by sailboat. This winter I am building the boat. Hundreds of hours when into research, planning, designing, and building. I am on track to be actually sailing sometime before summer. The plan this year is to be able to sail 70 miles with camping gear to Assateague island. Over next winter build a cover for the boat to be better able to handle open ocean and peddle powered propulsion, I don't like noisy motors. Then a summer trip to NYC and probably a week touring North Carolina outer banks. I don't have a winter project, probably lots of looking at maps, and at least 1 run for whale watching, I need to get set for cooler temperatures. That next summer should be along the Maine coast. I have spent 3 and a half years on one single epic trip, but more importantly for 3 and a half years I have been planing and building and dreaming. My whole life I don't slow down enough to let depression catch me.

That definitely sounds like an epic vacation. I've only been out of Texas twice- church mission trips.

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This is a sad story. I have heard that people who live through suicide attempts say that after jumping or whatever they realize that they do want to live. Living through it gives them newfound reasons to enjoy life. Would you say that ever happened to you?

Sadly, no. 😟

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Most people are jugemental and do not understand the difference between a cry for help and seeking attention. Most people think they have most of the answers. Most people listen to respond and not to understand. Unless you have suffered from depression it is very difficult to understand what it is like to live with this disease. My advice is keep posting. We need to educate the masses one posting at a time.

Gpops Level 2 Mar 2, 2018

That's part of my plan. There's such a stigma against mental illness, especially depression/suicide. Somehow people can understand the concept of schizophrenia and how a person can see/hear things that aren't there. But, they find it impossible to understand depression isn't "just feeling sad."

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I try to assure myself suicide is the easy way out, I used to say the cowards way out. My son who was 50 at the time had been partying way more than I realized and his dr also put him on the strongest dose of xanax, in time he was buying them off the street, he came to my home ever sundy the same happy engaging smile, always wanting to know if there was anything I need help with as he joked you just keep getting shorter, bottom line for like 3 months he was drinking heavy and taking xanax, so he was to drunk to drive, so he was going to walk home,4 or 5 inches of snow on the road, he cut off the road and was taking a shortcut up to the next road, walked into or fell into a pond and drowned, that was on March 17/2018, but he was not found till April 9th as the bar was not willing to just hand over the surveillance tape. and the cops did not want to believe me he was missing, but he would never have left his dogs alone one liar friend had cops looking in wrong place, I knew he was dead, dogs along to me that, but since then sometime the urge to oft myself are very strong, I was watching 2 cardels out my back window as I was fixing coffee, and I just broke down once again but sobbing not just the rolling tears, I do not know what I want from this group, I have never believed in god, so much so I can't even capitalize it, but i've always wanted to believe and a spirit world,and a few odd things incourged that thought, but that even fit into someone who can't force them self to feed into the evil of a god? from march 16 to april 9th my heart even breaks more thinking of my handsome well liked son under water and floating in water,and I just want out, but I have to cats i've had for 12 years and they are my responsibility , until they pass I can't pass , at least no on purpose, I probably make no sense and my mind does not function smoothly anymore, age, but I think the last year of my life has just shut me down to a almost nothing, clean litter boxes 3 times a day, eat a poptart or a sandwich or half one, that's my life I thought of grief counseling but most all are religious related and all the god shit and believe me no one wants my ideas on if he were real what a evil piece of shit he would be, but he is not real, so that handles that,sorry this is so long

Don't be sorry for anything, least of all the length. The fact you rationalize that you cannot pass until your cats do tells me deep down you have fight in you. I am so sorry to hear of your experience. Stay strong and don't be afraid to ask for help. It doesn't mean you're weak!

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Please Seek out a therapist who specializes in Cluster B personality disorders and/or Dialectic Behavior Therapy. Make sure that you work on a getting a correct diagnosis or this one confirmed. PTSD seems to be the popular label thrown out today, just like Bi-Palor was a few years ago. It will be important for the therapist to get input from family and friends so they have as much unbiased information as possible. Suicide comes in many forms from total dispair, to gaining attention to wanting to punish others. Good luck to you.

My therapist does CBT, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. We're currently working on unhealthy schema's i.e. I'm no good, I'm useless. My psychiatrist diagnosed the PTSD after going over the checklist of PTSD symptoms and signs.

The AOT program I'm in has had their counselor meet with my friend who's like a mom to me (the one I lived with at the 2006 attempt). She's the only friend/family I have outside of the internet.

Thank you for your attempts to offer assistance with my diagnosis but I'm sure the twenty-something people I work with are very good at doing their jobs.

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My diagnostic list is long, and overlaps in symptoms with my medical diagnoses.

I'm in constant physical and mental pain. I stay for my cats and the children I work with.

I've been doing the whole Cognitive Behavioral Therapy program for over a year, and met with even more rejection. I'm trying to persist, but it's all bloody depressing.

I've been trying to get more physically and mentally healthy so I can build friendships and relationships with people, but keep getting rejected IRL.

Understandable. Nephew is autistic. Friend who's like my second mom has Celiac and I've dated two epileptics. I can't imagine all of them rolled into one.

I haven't experienced rejection with EBT but am having difficulty in understanding how it'll change anything when the negative thoughts are so permanently ingrained in my head.

Look into Dialectic Behavior Therapy, it is shown to be more effective than Cognitive with certain disorders.

@Humanity4all, can't find any practitioners here who are willing to take me on. I have a lot of challenges, and I have to use a bicycle and public transportation to get around because of the Epilepsy.

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A permanent solution to a temporary problem?

Heard that a million times since my teens.

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I actually have a close friend who called me at 1:00 am to tell me he was going to shoot himself.

I stayed in the phone until he promised me that he would talk to a counselor through the VA and try to get help. I talked to him about his kids, his dogs, or anything important to him.

I finally convinced him to try get help by telling him he didn't have anything to lose by waiting to shoot himself later. He's still around things are going well for him, and he hasn't been suicidal for 9 years.

He lives in the middle of nowhere; so calling 911 wouldn't have saved him.

JimG Level 8 Mar 3, 2018

I honestly don't have anyone I feel close enough to to be able to do that without feeling they think I'm just seeking attention. I have my "mom" but it was the Christmas season and I didn't want to bug her. One of my mental issues is feeling a burden or inconvenience to others. So many people have said "I'll be there for you" but when I need them, they're busy.

I'm glad your friend felt he could confide in you without judgement and he's still around.

@Melbates I'm glad he reached out too.

There's always someone available, if you know where to look.

[google.com]

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The reason I will never attempt suicide again is because I have come to accept that I am not excused from the table until it is my turn, and every failed attempt tends to leave a person worse off than how they were when they were already ready to kill themselves. Most suicide attempts fail. I used to work in the hospital, so I've seen the results of a lot of failed attempts - plus, obviously, all of my attempts have failed. The greater the liklihood that the attempt will work, the bigger the consequence if it fails.

People get burned out from hearing about suicidality pretty quickly. Some people never could handle it, and they come back with the worst responses. Everyone, even those who have been there, and those who have been trined in how to deal with this, has a limit. I'm not inclined to talk to anyone about a current suicidal feeling unless I am quite certain they can handle it, and there is something they can do about it (which almost exclusively means trained professionals). Other than that, I may share about my history, making it clear that there is nothing for them to worry about now or in the future... but I don't need the level of care that you do. I get suicidal thoughts more often than I care to admit, but since I don't believe that would do any good, I can rapidly dismiss the thoughts. Sometimes I get suicidal impulses, which are different from thoughts, but usually they only last a second or so, and I'm aware that just means it's time to adjust my antidepressant, and make an earlier appointment with my psychiatist. Last time I tried to quit smoking, at three and a half weeks, I got 20 minute strong impulses to commit suicide, with only a 5 minute break in between, until I got hold of a psck of cigarettes and lit up. In 2 puffs I was fine, and then I clled my psychiatrist. It took awhile to get the cigs because while the impulses were going on, I didn't trust myself to move, and just kept reminding myself "This is illogical. It wouldn't work, and I'd be worse off." That was an unreasonably challenging test for me, but I made it through. The fact tht I made it through even such an unreasonable challenge means to me that I actually do have a pretty good handle on this. This works for me now, and I hope that someday, you will be at this point, too.

I hear you that you are not there now though, and honor your need to have others aware to help you survive. Good for you for recognizing your limits. Just be aware that some people can't handle it at all, and others can only handle so much of it. In order to avoid as much negative backlash as possible, it's a good idea to lean on the professionals as much as possible. Whoever you need to reach out to, whenever you need to reach out, that is of course always an option. It's just more of a risk with some, and more of a risk the more frequently you do so with people who are not professionals who are on duty specifically to handle that kind of thing - so it's usually easier on you to go to them the most often. As for the rest, of course you should make whoever aware who you need to be aware, and remind them as often as is necessary. With your awareness, you should be able to, sooner or later, figure out where the best balance is - and you can now be aware that when someone responds badly, it's because they can't handle any more - not because you are bad, wrong, a burden, or anything like that. I have confidence that with help and practice, you'll get better at handling this, just like I did.

I'm glad you were able to overcome that challenging time but, you are correct, I'm nowhere near that level. Someone else on this thread asked if I'd come out of an attempt with a greater appreciation for life and stronger desire to live as many people do. Sadly, no. I've never experienced that type of "relief" or "release," whatever you want to call it.

I regularly tell people I've had enough shrinks, therapist's, counselor's and psychology classes to know exactly how fucked up I am. But, I think that awareness throws people off. They're not used to someone being completely blunt about the thoughts in their head so I regularly get the reaction of disbelief or that I'm attention seeking. But, that's why the only time I'm 100% completely blunt is when talking to my counselor, shrink or caseworker.

You're correct in that a lot of people just can't handle it, which is why I don't tell co-workers or Facebook friends that I just spent the past twenty minutes procrastinating over whether to go get the bottles of pain relievers out of the bathroom and start downing them. But, I did say that to my shrink and caseworker, who promptly confiscated said pills.

@Melbates I understand what you are saying, and I believe you. I never came through any attempt with any feeling other than "damnit, I failed" either, so I get that part. I wonder if part of the reason I so firmly believe it won't work (in addition to statistics, anecdotal evidence, and some medical knowledge) is that I just can't deal with another big failure like that. For some of us, waking up from a failed suicide attempt can be pretty darned depressing.

Best wishes.

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Also, I don't think being on Facebook will really help. Facebook induces a lot of negative feelings, especially when other people seem a lot happier, well adjusted, etc.

Learn to live for yourself, not others.

Also mindfulness is a good discipline to learn as well.

Good luck

I actually regularly go through my Facebook and remove people who aren't actively involved in my life as a friend or family or whom I believe is having a detrimental affect on my psyche. This includes my brother and sister. I mostly use Facebook for funny memes and to follow news from around the world since I don't have a television.

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Having read your entire post, my heart is breaking for you. I have an unfortunately close relationship with suicide. Several years ago one of my uncles, who was deeply depressed on top of being bipolar and a drug addict, finally succeeded in ending his life. He'd had multiple attempts, but after changing his methods, he accomplished what he'd sought for as long as I'd known him. Depression and mental illnesses of varying degrees run in my family on my mom's side and seeing him lose that battle hit me pretty hard. Not because I was close to him, we were, in fact, quite distant due to something that transpired between us when I was a child, but because I also suffered from depression and I'd contemplated whether the world would be better off without me in it as well.

Your pain and struggle are valid. You are valid and you matter. If you need or want anyone to talk to, I'm here. I'm completely nonjudgmental. Everyone has their own story and each deserves to be heard.

Thank you so very much. I really do appreciate it. My condolences for your loss. I'm so sorry it's so pervasive within your family. It's hard enough to grasp when there's one person with mental illness. I'm sure it's quite overwhelming with so many in one family. I'm also very sorry you have just as close a relationship with this line of thinking as I do.

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To your question, when someone talks about suicide and has a plan, I figure out what is going on and try to get them to the next step to feeling better, which might be a trip to the E.R. Some people have little empathy and do not know about severe major depression. I do not know why the heck you were put in a ice bath, instead of taken to the hospital. It makes no sense. To answer your question, "Were you personally affected by suicide," Yes. My mother killed herself when I was five, which ended me in a circumstance where I did not have her protection and faced all kind of abuse from my stepmother and dad. I thought of trying to kill myself just to get out of the house and tell people about the abuse (telling the school counselor did not work). My grandpa committed suicide, he has prostate cancer. I was already on my own by then and understood he was in a large amount of pain. I am glad you have a therapist to help you. My heart goes out to you. I am sorry you have been through so much suffering.

Yeah, my sister-in-law is a moron.

I'm so very sorry to hear what you've suffered. My deepest condolences.

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