I went to Catholic grammar school as well. Our teachers actually were somewhat supportive of freethought.

This is one of the most twisted posts on BDSM ever...wow...

I had read thst before. The adding of a subservient role by the woman as both a religious and sexual practice.

You, babes are nuts. Never submit. Never. It's a soul killer. You will be ashamed of doing it. If you are into that brand of christianity why are you even posting on this site ?

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If you read the most recent resolutions of the Southern Baptist Convention you’ll see that they in no way support or allow racism in any form.

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@WilliamFleming I'll believe it when I see it with my own eyes. I don't give a s*** what they write. The Bible Belt deep southern states do not deserve the benefit of the doubt

@Kojaksmom I don’t see how you can discount resolutions made in their convention. Southern Baptists are extremely democratic, meaning that the opinions of the delegates are closely aligned with the opinions of the church members. Of course the resolutions were not approved by all delegates—just a majority. Still, don’t you see that as good news?

Even if some of them do lean toward white supremacy, I don’t think you help matters by stereotyping and demonizing the group as a whole.

“Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”

—Martin Luther King, Jr.

@WilliamFleming it's what I see from the evangelicals, I've never met a decent one that doesn't want to spread their religion and push their ideas on everybody.

@Kojaksmom That’s what evangelicals do—they spread the word. That’s what the term means.

That’s a long way from being a White Supremacist, wouldn’t you say? We are talking here about some of my friends and family members. It’s news to me about their being White Supremacists. I’ll have to ask them about that.

@WilliamFleming I agree that we should not despise the entire group, just because some of them are bad. Having said that, I really detest some things about fundamentalist religion, especially the suppression of doubt and questioning and the belief that women should be submissive to men.

@WilliamFleming perhaps you need to re-read my initial post. That's how I look at it, that's what I see. Obedient women who are rampant breeders is exactly what the white supremacists pushed as well. Most of the Evangelical women are anti feminists .the only Power they have is making and raising babies. The women who are white supremacist say the exact same thing .they're the breeders of the white race, and for that they are very proud. Southern Baptists are the worst. the very rural areas of the Deep South are incredibly racist, sexist uneducated, conservative, extremely religious.

@Kojaksmom “Southern Baptists are the worst.” And yet they send delegates to their convention who pass liberal resolutions.

Do what you want, but I don’t like making absolutist stereotypical judgments about any group. How is that better or different than racism?

@Kojaksmom, @MST3K I agree on the suppression of doubt and questioning.

I’m thinking about the other part. My observation is that women tend to dominate.

@MST3K my parents retired in the mountains of North Carolina. You would be amazed the number of Voters that vote Republican just because of the anti-choice issue. It's not about babies, it's about taking control of the women and making sure they breed.

@WilliamFleming dominate what?

@WilliamFleming I was saying Southern Baptists are the least Progressive.

@Kojaksmom Men.

@WilliamFleming that is not the Gospel According to Evangelical Christians. Men are to be the main decision makers and women are to be Homemakers and breeders.

@WilliamFleming that phenomena of the believe that women rule perhaps is just the fact that women care. Evangelical males are told that the home and babies are for women . Males within the home are to be respected and should be made to feel like real men. This is accomplished by the female taking a backseat and cowering to her husband's wishes. The evangelicals teach this and so do the white supremacists.

@Kojaksmom “This is accomplished by the female taking a backseat and cowering to her husband's wishes.”

Maybe that has happened in your world but I’ve never seen it. I’ve heard of it.

When you throw out that “evangelical” word you might as well just say “Christian” because evangelism is pretty near universal among churches, even the Catholic Church. I once attended an evangelical church service where the topic of the male role in marriage was discussed. The male role was said to be that of walking ahead and bearing the brunt of life’s difficulties by defending and providing for the family. Personal dominance is not prescribed for either partner.

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Well I'm happy that you're happy with your religion. Being conservative Christian is not really a crime in my book, but I believe it has Sinister roots

@Kojaksmom I thought I answered this yesterday. I am not a Christian Conservative in any shape, form or fashion. I was attending a service at the request of a daughter, but I left the Baptists 57 years ago. Though not a member, I don’t like seeing prejudice and hatred directed toward any group, especially under the guise of liberalism. It’s no better than racism. I live in the Deep South while you are in Appalachia. Maybe things are different there. After all, the South is a huge region with a third of the nation’s population.

Politically I lean toward Libertarianism, which is both liberal and conservative.

@WilliamFleming it is far from hatred I'm simply stating a fact that I see. The worst thing that people could do when faced with,say for instance, the radical anti-abortion laws, is just sit quietly and do nothing. I'm under the impression that you agree with the anti-abortion law, I'm under the impression that you agree with the indoctrination of children into religion, I'm under the impression that you don't support separation of church and state. I in no way am spreading hatred any more than anybody else on this form agnostics is. I was just pointing out the similarity between the Christians and the white supremacists. They have a lot more in common than what most people think

@Kojaksmom I have the feeling you are trying to push my buttons. I am not in favor of any of those things and I will not discuss it further.

Because fundamentalist Christians are the most extreme examples of the absurdity of many Christian teachings. And often,their beliefs are the most bereft of the most rudimentary reason and logic (e.g., God loves you and is merciful, but he will punish you eternally and most cruelly solely for not believing in him.)

@MST3K I’m not so sure that evangelicalism and fundamentalism are the same thing, though some groups are both.

Also, I think Catholics and Anglicans are just as irrational. False is false. Are there degrees of falsity?

@irascible All I see is that fundamentalists are just like everyone else. If you know of some murderous Christian groups I’d like to learn just who they are.

You need to find a different label for your murderous Christian groups. The world “fundamentalist” is already taken, and is used by numerous religious groups around the world, all proudly a part of the fundamentalist movement.

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@irascible Some fundamentalist Christians really do have some very bad ideas. They share the same sort of irrationality and discourage or prohibit doubt and questioning.