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LINK Why Invent the Jesus? • Richard Carrier Ph.D. - YouTube

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Archeus_Lore 7 Sep 12
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Thanks, this was informative... at least, relative to historicity. He mentions allegory only within the context of the story itself, such as the fig tree symbolizing the temple, but never touches on the allegorical value of the whole story in the greater context of human experience.

Understanding that the story is allegory instead of history is a good first step. The next step is figuring out why very similar stories have always emerged in human populations that have been isolated from each other in time and location.

If the stories were just meaningless fiction, it seems they would all be different, but the same “hero’s journey” theme can be found in all of them, even if they are differently clothed in local color.

Allegory is not just fiction for the purpose of idle entertainment; it’s supposed to represent a deeper truth.
Wikipedia defines allegory as
“a metaphor in which a character, place or event is used to deliver a broader message about real-world issues and occurrences.”

I haven’t read a great deal from Carrier, but I don’t recall him (or hardly anyone else) ever addressing the broader message about real-world issues. The assumption seems to be if it’s not literal it’s not anything. But that’s only half of what allegory conveys. Allegory doesn’t say “This isn’t real. Goodbye.” Allegory says “This isn’t literal, but it symbolizes “X” which is literal.”

What is “X”? What did Jesus symbolize, Dr. Carrier?

skado Level 9 Sep 12, 2019
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The Jews expected the coming of a physical ruler who would be Messiah. There were lots of contenders for this title. Jesus was one of them. Once he was killed there was lots of changing around to explain all of this. At that time Jesus became a magic man concerned about parts of your being that there is no proof of at all, and his kingdom was within you. Along came Paul who took this along other directions until we have the Jesus of today. It's all a myth.

Some orthodox Jews are still waiting on this messiah

@Moravian This is why the Christians came up with the Second Coming Bible. Just kidding.

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