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Do you spend time debating your views on religion with the religious?

On my campus we often have religious zealots that come to spew hate on the plaza as well as other religious sects that stop you while you're on your way to class to try and recruit you. When people are spewing hate I never know whether or not it would be better to confront them. I don't want to turn a blind eye to their ignorance because words have power and I want people from minority groups that are often on the recieving end of this hate, to feel welcomed on campus; but at the same time I don't want to acknowledge them because it just feeds into their rant and continues the perpetuation of hate.
The groups that try to recruit students into their churches always start off with the same question "Can I get your opinion on something?" and follow that question with one about what you believe in as far as religion goes. I always tell them that I don't have the time anymore because I'm tired of being verbally berated and because I'm afraid that having this debate at all conflates their view--in that by debating them they start to feel as if their beliefs are on the same level as facts.

Mea 7 Mar 23
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No.Why? See no value-better things to do.

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Never. What is the point in doing so?

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On a campus I could see possibly being more vocal - just for the reasons you've expressed. Sometimes, the battles seem worth it - at least for a while.

But out in the world in the rest of life, I prefer not to get into random debates, as I see no point. Similar to debating with those enamored with the orange one. Not going to change them - why waste energy, get yourself all worked up, and possibly bring your mood down ?

If it's someone I like, and care about to some degree, that happens to be a "god person", I'll respectfully examine thoughts and ideas, without any expectation of change on either side .

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I also never waste my time on the hate-spewers. Obviously, they somehow are getting off on the "persecution" we give them when we shout back... I think if they were completely ignored by everyone they would probably do it less(?). As to the "surveyors" who turn out to be recruiters, I'd also just brush them off quickly as they are obviously neck-deep into their religion to be doing such a thing. The only people I do debate/discuss with are friends/coworkers/colleagues/family... IF they bring it up. If this happens, I just try to focus on what beliefs we do have in common and how we can both be moral despite our differences. I think it's most important for them to see that we non-believers are human and moral; they've had a lifetime of propaganda from the pulpit telling them otherwise, so going in friendly and gentle is one of the few ways I've found that I'm heard.

Love every word of that. Couldn't word it better if you gave me a decade. Bravo!

@DerekFuiten Thanks!

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No id rather spend my time with some ladies in a mass--debate

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They have an agenda (these people you're talking about) so they are not really interested in your opinion, or in a debate. I do not seek out religious people to debate and I'm not on a mission to deconvert anyone (but I'd be happy if they all just "saw the light" and stopped believing tomorrow). However, if someone engages me, I'm happy to offer my opinion, which is rather strong. =]

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Depends whether or not the person is willing to be reasonable, if not (more times than not) then I see no use.

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I will only engage in those types of conversations if its amaong people I know and in a particular setting. We're far more apt to listen to our friends and family than we are a complete stranger when it comes to such topics. Ultimately the debate ends up being pointless so instead I've taken on the philosphy of explaining the process of figuring it out for themselves. Encouraging them to ask important questions about life and showing them ways they can research for themselves. When they ask me what I believe I simply shift the conversation, "More important than what I believe is whether or not you've asked yourself the right questions." It usually catches them off guard and they'll want you to elaborate. At which point I just peacefully start pointing out simple questions like have they ever stopped to consider what life would be like if they didn't exist. Stuff like that. If the conversation goes nowhere than I just politely excuse myself from the situation.

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No, its a waste of time.

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All the time. Even in prison with Muslims.

@pthomas59 they probably just gravitate to it because of their idiosyncratic disposition and upbringing. Galvanized by their misfortune. Salvation is used as a comforter in that case and a loophole. Might even be seen as a way to express contrition and remorse.

@pthomas59 -- I heard one ex con recently say that the swing toward religion in prison was nothing but "diversion conversion." This is the first opportunity I've had to use the phrase. The way he explained it, most inmates are already into one religion or another before they go in, but the born again evangelical call is pretty loud. There's precious little to occupy ones mind inside, so almost any diversion is worth something, hence the diversion conversion fits what happens pretty well.

@evidentialist yh sounds viable

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Rarely do I spend any time debating with the religious. However, on those rare occasions, it is a sight to behold. Even more rare than the debates is obtaining any form of positive result -- which is one of the major reasons for rarely engaging. Hate spinning my wheels.

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Soon I'll be in college and I'll be having to deal with that. Thank you for the heads up.

It's super obnoxious, however luckily I'm graduating soon. Good luck!

@Mea Thanks.

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