Women DO cheat but not as much as men. They aren't wired that way as much as men they are wired to protect their babies.

@2muchstupidity It takes two to tango.

@EdEarl Yes it does take two to tango...one married and one maybe not!

The more they get away with it, the more they are inclined to continue!

@2muchstupidity 4 possibilities -- (M=married, N=not married, m=men, w=women) MmMw, MmNw, NmMw & NmNw. If men cheat more than women, then there must be more women in the mix, or women couple with more men. However, women say they have fewer relationships than men; somebody must be mistaken, exaggerating or lying, unless the population of men is much smaller than the number of women, and that is not generally true. 5B men cannot mate with 10 women each, if the 5B women have only 5 partners each.

@EdEarl
It's a matter of perspective. Some people cheat but agree to in open relationships.
Men don't talk about cheating much. Women confide more in each other.
I know I've heard more about male politicians cheating and televangelists in the media than females.

@2muchstupidity Men brag and exxagerate. Women may tell a friend, but do not brag. Of course prostitutes are mostly women with male clients, which must account for some of the difference in men and women reporting number of partners.

@2muchstupidity They cheat more than you think. Not as much as men but, quite a bit.

@2muchstupidity If you both agree to it, it is not cheating.

@EdEarl
According to scientific studies, men cheat 20% vs women 13%.
Do a google.

@EdEarl, @Sticks48
I disagree. The third party or the mate is being betrayed this in my opinion it is cheating!

@2muchstupidity I have seen those numbers, I think they are low. I have never figured out how they get those numbers. If you had cheated. are you going to answer yes for some survey?

@2muchstupidity And if the third party approves? There are folks. both men and women, out there who just want to get laid. We all have our own interpretation I guess.

@Sticks48 "If you had cheated. are you going to answer yes for some survey?" Apparently, some do, and probably, some don't. Usually these stats come from college students, many from psychology and sociology students, some who expect to do research and would need honest interviewees.

@Sticks48 "And if the third party approves?" Sometimes the third party likes to watch, participate, or hear about it later. In addition there is polyamory, which researchers say account for about 5% of relationships, but people in the community think is more than 5%.

There are marriages with one person cheating, known by their partners without approval, and they stay together. Some marriages hang together for children or finances, and one or both parties have extramarital affairs. Sometimes a spouse is becomes uninterested or incapable of having sex with their partner, leaving the other frustrated and unhappy; should this always result in divorce, for example, if a spouse is incapacitated by illness or injury?

@2muchstupidity You can substantiate that?

Yes, but not as much.

@2muchstupidity who do men have affairs with?

@2muchstupidity That's purely an opinion or speculation. Here's one study that I found On Google but there are others[edition.cnn.com]

@TheoB there ya GO!!
Now here's some truth for you lady who created this post! Educate yourself on narcissists sociopaths and Psychopaths and then learn to steer clear of the bastards

Totally!!!

I struggle with addiction. But not pills or alcohol. I am addicted to sex, that may sound rather crass and it took me a very long time to ultimately admit to myself that was in trouble. Alcohol would be the fuel, I am an attractive European male and can be quite charming when I have to be, it was easy. The hard part was stopping it happening in the first place. I would wake up in the mornings hung over with a stranger who's name I didn't even know. I would literally cry for hours, I even considered suicide. I am getting better but still struggle with this. It makes me depressed, it hurts my life, my work, my career. I completely and utterly hate myself.

You are a rare bird.

@2muchstupidity I was late to marriage at 43,after High School I did odd jobs, and joined the Air Force,going away while my classmate were marrying,having kids and divorcing,I was over in the heat and humidity of Thailand,working on aircraft weapons systems,moving from base to base much like a roaming Gypsy,staying maybe 6 months and moving on,never time to put down roots, find a good Woman and have a family.

After my two enlistments were finished, all I found were low paying jobs,the first in 1974 paid $2.85 an hour,not much dating on that income,not until I got the Aerospace job could I do a wife hunt. So I did it the older way,ran an ad in a singles paper, my wife to be read it,we dated and married 6 months later. I was her third husband,she my first wife,to those she knew I was "3rd times the charm",so I have my memories now,some good,others bittersweet.....

@2muchstupidity My late father was a Womanizer,not sure how or why it began,but during my Senior year in High School they divorced,my late mother stood it only so long. To reduce the expenses, I joined the Air Force,as I had two younger brothers still at home. One of the first aircraft I worked on,the F-105 Thunderchief.

I dated a man for 3 months and found out he was married.

@2muchstupidity That’s a horrible feeling. I know my daughter had a few doubts along the way, but each time she did, he headed them off with all kinds of subtle manipulative excuses. His bout of poor health gave her a breathing space to really add up and examine her doubts...low and behold, it was not her imagination!
My first husband cheated; I found out fast because he took my kids along, and my son told me about dad’s new friend.

In other words all people have to cheat in order for someone to bring up this topic? All men all women?? No but there's plenty of them out there. I don't date women I don't think she does so she talks on what she has experienced. that's what people do

No need to go to extremes. There should be a better alternative. After all, I do have 3 sons. How about self restraint?

Bing, have a Snickers.

@2muchstupidity
Maybe not getting married not getting into a relationship and then you don't have to worry about being called a cheater. End of discussion! Is my thought

Yes!

Not every single one. But too many. First husband, caught. Next husband, tried to get me into an open marriage, which was not my thing. Boyfriends, several cheaters there. Last husband, I’m pretty sure he was, he was better at not getting caught, but the behavior was all there.
I’d rather break up than cheat. I HAVE broken up, rather than cheat.

@CarolinaGirl60
Yes girlfriend, I feel your pain and disgust!! I have been down that same road!
My sympathy!

@2muchstupidity Wow - sorry to hear that, sounds like your "picker" might need a tune-up ...

Seems to me she asked a question. What is up with this all-or-nothing thing?

Agree.

It's not as much as men but more common now becuz of social media. I find women cheat to get revenge on a cheater.

That's right the games are on and on. Guys see these dating sites as, hoe sites, well the pond scum or bottom dwellers

Don't remember her saying all

@Finelyagedwine as written, it seems to be a generality for her, if I'm right...

I don't think any of us were referring to all or none. We know our experience. What is the greatest teacher? Experience

Then don't marry

@Finelyagedwine Genetics and reality does not negate the need to be near a soulmate, a person who completes us, who balances our faults and strengths.
But to demand each sex is the same is a clear path to species suicide.

Unfair to expect you to control yourself? I have to control myself. Why not men or is there an exception? Buy some saltpeter! There are ways to do things if we really want to. And if we don't then the proof is evident.

But to demand each sex is the same as a clear path to species suicide. Well I don't know that anyone demanded that both sexes were the same.
But there is this little thing called, common courtesy and respect. And controlling one's self. Yeah I expect it. Not too much to ask.

I would love to think that there is a wonderful man that can come my way, and there still a little bit of hope that that is true and possible, however I'm not holding my breath. My experience is narcissist sociopath love me. But there's going to be a new dance next time, LOL a good man will get good treatment!
One of these other things that I don't see as even human, there will be no respect given

Glad to hear you didn't cheat. If unhappy, get a divorce. I refuse to ever get married again I don't want any part of that religious bondage. Yes there are some good guys out there. Not very many though

Yeah, those things can happen, for either.
But my newfound motto is: " don't get married"
Sure Fire way to destroy a relationship is to get married

Now, now... don't be an apologist for men. You know they are exactly the kind of scum she says they are. Every last one of them.

@bingst Hey I grew up with men who didn't. I still think there are plenty of people who never would.
We can go with stereotypes or with a kinder reality where people state their actual intentions.
Or when they reach that point? Divorce or split up first.

They are selfish.

It IS sadistic to want your partner to cry and feel emotional pain. That describes my last ex—lots of emotional abuse and gaslighting: he wasn’t cheating, it was just ME being crazy.
I just don’t understand that. Love shouldn’t hurt!

@CarolinaGirl60 the fun part, is turning the table.
Lol

@Finelyagedwine For that to work, they have to care. He didn’t.

I disagree. I'm not stupid except when I believed my husband. I've been betrayed many times by trusting who I thought were kind and decent me.

@2muchstupidity hes talking about the women they cheat with, not on. Same goes for lots of unsuspecting husbands.

@2muchstupidity burners got it.

If you go into it thinking most guys suck (we do, btw) then you can be pleasantly surprised when you find one that doesnt.

I agree with you!! I'm so sorry you had to go through that with the sociopath guy. They know how to fool the smartest of people.
I have lost a lot of money and material items due to men who have been liars and narcissists . Unfortunately you are not alone.
Be strong and independent. That's what my happy safe zone is!!

Well, that just makes you a shitty fucking person. And if you ever lied to hide it, that makes you an even shittier person. Sure hope your aren't here for dating... because that's over now if you are.

@Kafirah I think it makes me ordinary. I've been cheated-on more than I've been the cheater, but that wasn't the topic.

@BitFlipper Two wrongs don't make a right. You sunk to their level and betrayed someone in the most devastatingly intimate of ways. You didn't have the courage to break it off with someone before betraying them. And now, here you are trying to justify it and normalize it. What you did was one of the shittiest things a person can do to someone else that doesn't involve direct violence. There is no justification for that. And especially not "people have done it to me too." But it seems you are living with what you did just fine, so...

May a camel take u into the desert and leave u there!! U deserve this karma!!

@Kafirah
Very well said!! I totally agree with you!! If you trust someone and then are betrayed by them, it's the worst fucking degrading feeling!!

@2muchstupidity, @Kafirah you both seem to think that I am defending the practice of cheating. Maybe it's because I admitted it. Well, I think it's important to contribute truth to these discussions. You are both very likely to see other truths here that you don't like. I hope you will be able to take something from those truths without being blinded by your anger.

@BitFlipper
EXCUSE ME? I'm not going to say I'm sorry for my anger at you! I know how I feel about what you did. If someone else on this site states something that I disagree with, I will state my anger about what I don't agree with!!!!!! No regret about how I feel and my anger.

@2muchstupidity I'm not even going to bother pointing out how he's claiming honesty while defending cheating on people...

And then there's him. Have fun

@2muchstupidity, @BitFlipper from what I'm hearing now he has shed more light on the situation, I believe I understand. And we have to be careful that we don't take our anger from whoever the hell we were with out on someone that didn't do it to us. It's really easy for me to do that. Sounds to me like he got screwed around on and finally said well what the hell if you can't beat'em join'em.
I can understand being committed to somebody until they put me through hell, and then I finally wake up and say two can play at that baby

Well, I can tell you from my perspective that complicated is an understatement when it affects your kids and grandkids. It many times leads to divorce in my case and lots of family pain as a result.