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Someone on Twitter said something snarky about Dolly Parton's recent admission that she thinks black lives matter. Apparently this viewpoint doesn't sit well with some Christians.

In the ensuing snowballing of anti Dolly comments one lambasted her for not being a really Christian and just being in it for the money. Then someone else chimed in something like "she doesn't even believe in hell".

I could take it no longer and pointed out that actually hell is barely even mentioned in the New Testament and even then only in relation to where bad angels are sent, also that is perfectly possible for people to be good without buying into the modern invention of hell.

Predictably that didn't sit well and the OP chimed in to lambast me for my error and quoted Mathew 5:29

"If your right eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away; it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better for you to lose one of your members than for your whole body to go into hell"

Perfect. I told her the original oldest record of this is scripture is Greek. In that it doesn't say hell, it says γέεννα (English transliteration "Gehenna" ) which is the name of a valley that was South of Jerusalem in Biblical OT times. There trash and bodies those denied "proper" burial were burned. So it makes perfect sense that a body (or parts) of someone no longer considered worthy of a proper burial would end up in γέεννα No hell required at all.

That didn't go down well and I was told "You’ve twisted Scripture in order to justify your sinful lifestyle." and she told me "goodbye". Not to be deterred I pointed out it was bogus translations that were twisting the original scripture which many Christians consider the literal written word of God.

I then tried to be somewhat Socratic and asked what would happen if someone she respected (not me) proved to her hell was a human invention. Would she change her behavior, does it change how she feels about being good, is hell necessary to her to be good or to convince others to be good?

I'm not expecting this to go any further. I'll probably get blocked but I figure it is worth a try.

For now I'll get back to my "ainful lifestyle". Woot, no hell for me, just moldering in the grave - or hopefully turned to compost and into a tree.

prometheus 7 Aug 16
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You are 0% right about that translation. That's why not all Christian denominations believe in hell. For example, Seventh Day Adventists do not and separate "hell" from the "Lake of Fire" which they believe doesn't exist yet. So I would probably ask her if the whole denominations and their thousands of members are all wrong and not real Christians because they don't believe the exact same carbon copy version of Christianity as her particular denomination which also would not have existed if Martin Luther hadn't protested against the Roman Catholic church. So if all Christians are supposed to believe the same thing or not be Christians then has she herself kissed the pope's ring (metaphorically)? Because being the original, shouldn't the Catholics ("catholic" meaning universal) be the arbiters of what is Christian? Otherwise it's hypocritical. Just sayin'

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All lives matter no matter your skin color.

Of course all lives matter. Saying "black lives matter" is not saying that other lives don't matter. It is just drawing attention to the fact that black lives have been viewed, and treated, as less valuable than white lives.

I lived in both Kenya and Uganda where life (nothing to do with skin tone) had a much lower value. Fortunately (to me at least) I have escaped with mine very many times.

@Petter I am talking about, and BLM is about, black lives as treated in the US. Black lives have been seen as less valuable than white lives from the beginning. First as slaves, then defined as three fifths of a person, then Jim Crow laws/segregation; and it continues with systemic racism and the fact that black men (and even children) are profiled and killed by police at a higher rate than white men.

@Joanne Ah. You mean ABLM (American Black Lives Matter.) I do agree. The US is indeed deeply racist in many areas and aspects.
It is far less so in the majority of other nations, although in most it still persists in diluted form.

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Why waste your time with these racist kkklaners ??? She launders and irons white hoods and sheets for the klaven ..... Dolly Parton did not ask you to piss Atheist truth in her followers eyes ..... if you do this in hopes of converting believers into critical Socratic students I have a X RATED bible by American Atheist Ben Edward Ackerley to sell you ..... slap these motherfuckers upside the head with the worst passages from their genocidal pornographic misogynistic pro-violent abortions anti-science bibles SHAME THE thumpers back into their hill cabins off the grid....I BLOCK THEM after their 1st evil xian subject lines appear....I post replies to their friends facebooks citing the perpetrators of theocracy their crimes against humanity like 2 rapist popes RED LIVES MATTER truth telling how xians murdered 20 million Native Americans how Lutherans murdered 6 million GYPSIES gays cripples communists and Jews

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