Seems that Rose7 has flown the coop, taking this post with her. But I was in the middle of a conversation with @Triphid so with everyone's kind permission ( hopefully ? ) I'm resurrecting this puppy.

Sorry you couldn't stick around, Rose, but I'm confident you'll be back soon with yet another stolen photo of a large-breasted porn star, asking another insipid question for us to wax philosophical over.

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How does religion and politics as affect our culture?

Rose7 4 Nov 16
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snytiger6
Level 9

They both have way too much influence.

Nov 17, 2020
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LuciferG0907
Level 3

I don't know what culture you are talking about people just fuck democracy by supporting culture . Religions and politics are the same. political party members love their people which follow their party rules and rights given by the party leader and hate people outside their party even though they are right or wrong same thing happens with religions . I think i need no further explanation. The funny statement is that you can convert to other religion just like a political party member who joins the opposition party

Nov 17, 2020
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xenoview
Level 7

Religion and politics is bad for humanity.

Nov 17, 2020
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QuidamOutrepont
Level 7

Religion and politics: two pilars of tyranny.

Nov 17, 2020
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LuciferG0907 3 replied Nov 17, 2020
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haha man best line for this question

SeaRay215ex
Level 7

Totally fucked up. A real life “One flew over the cuckoos nest”.

Nov 17, 2020
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linxminx
Level 7

They are used to control people in order to extort money, time, energy, and feed narcissistic egos. They are at their best a negative annoyance, and at their worst a monumental detriment to human kind.

Nov 16, 2020
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anglophone
Level 7

Badly and badly. As long as the religitards have a strangle-hold on politics and culture nothing is going to get any better. Thank goodness for the rising number of nones.

Nov 16, 2020
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Triphid 8 replied Nov 16, 2020


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You beat me to it, I was going reply with the same.

nogod4me
Level 7

They both serve the "Money God."
""Take man's most fantastic invention - God. Man invents God in the image of his longings, in the ..."/
"Sigmund Freud's nephew Edward Bernays (1891-1995), also known as the "Father of Spin", has designed ..."/

Nov 16, 2020
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skado
Level 8

Religion and politics pretty much ARE our, and everybody else’s, culture. Just like there’s good and bad politics, there’s also good and bad religion. In both cases, mostly bad.
What do YOU think? Will you join the discussion?

Nov 16, 2020
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Triphid 8 replied Nov 16, 2020
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So, correct me if I'm wrong here please, but you are saying that there is Good and Bad in religion/s?
Can you show 10 things that are truly beneficial ( good) for ALL peoples that are undeniable, irrefutable and have been PROVEN by tried and tested means to support such a claim beyond even the shadow of a doubt?

skado 8 replied Nov 16, 2020

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@Triphid
It is my opinion that there are some very beneficial and some very destructive forces within that very broad set of behaviors we refer to as religion.
Not every worthwhile opinion in the world comes with absolute proof, but my view is based on the science that I am aware of, and not at all on any kind of religious faith.
If you’re interested in hearing how I arrive at that opinion I’d be happy to have that discussion, but it would not start or finish with “proofs.”

Triphid 8 replied Nov 17, 2020

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@skado Yeah, I'll be open to your or anyone else's opinions, etc, BUT will you be the same?
IF so, then let the discussion/debate begin.

skado 8 replied Nov 18, 2020
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@Triphid
I'm not so much interested in a debate. I don't feel any need to prove myself right and somebody else wrong. I can't even be certain my own view is accurate. All I can say is how it appears to me, and why. I like to hear how it appears to others and why, also. Then we have both had a chance to be exposed to new ideas, which we are both free to accept or reject. Not a win/lose contest, but a win/win for everybody.

I have both personal reasons for seeing some good in religion, and some philosophical ones.

I have some very close friends and beloved family members for whom religion has been a very stabilizing, guiding, and healing influence. You might never notice it because they may never talk about it. They never proselytize. They don't debate. They don't judge. They don't condemn.

Their faith is just a quiet source of emotional strength for them. And when you get to know them you can understand why. They may not have an intellectual orientation toward life, but they do try to live according to their understanding of Biblical principles. They do their very best to never lie, cheat or steal, etc. They also find comfort in "talking to the Lord" when they are troubled, and so on.

One might argue that they'd be better off to put their faith in objective reality, which may well be true, but their life circumstances might not have afforded them that opportunity. It's not hard to see that they are better off than if they had nothing.

I can understand believing there is nothing good about religion if one's entire experience of it has been with hateful, bigoted, religious fanatics, but that just hasn't been my personal experience. I do know those people exist, and they give religion a bad name. And... they are religion's squeaky wheel - they get all the attention. But they don't represent the entirety of religion.

On the philosophical side, there are more angles than I'll have patience to list here, but I'll mention one or two for starters. There's increasing talk in anthropology that religion contributed in a critical way to the massive success our species has enjoyed. It helps unify a society toward cooperation in tasks that just couldn't be done by individuals all going their separate ways.

If everybody was highly skilled at rational discernment, we might be better off to be guided and coordinated by science and secular principles, but now we're talking about how people ought to be instead of how they are.

In reality we are very emotional creatures. Which brings us to evolution. Natural selection doesn't "care" what's fact or fiction. What it "cares" about is getting your genes into the next generation. If you develop an adaptation that makes you go on high alert whenever you hear a rustle in the grasses, you will more likely survive if it was a lion. And if it was only the wind, no harm is done. Believing certain kinds of things improves our chances of surviving, whether those beliefs are always true or not.

I've known plenty of people who seemed to be completely devoid of a conscience, but who were terrified of going to hell. It's really shocking to me how many people constrain their aggression in ways they wouldn't if they had no belief in the supernatural.

H.sapiens spent most of its developmental time as hunter/gatherers. It was not well suited, adaptively, for stationary life on farms and in cities. With religions we modified some of our more troublesome instinctual behavior toward cooperation and trust among large groups of strangers. Religion was the counterbalance that allowed nomadic people to function cooperatively in agricultural societies.

And the last thing I'll mention is that some religions emphasize practice more than belief. They contain guidance for various health practices, but maybe most importantly, mental health practices. And by practices I don't just mean rules to follow, but the actual "practicing" of various routines aimed at building mental skills such as in meditation.

Often people will say that such practices could be performed outside a religious framework, but then we are entering the realm of semantics. I would say that such practices comprise the heart of what really defines authentic religion.

That's how it appears to me. Looking forward to hearing how it appears to you.

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creative51
Level 8

Affects it very badly.

Nov 16, 2020
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jlynn37
Level 8

Nothing affects our culture more and in 'merca, the merger of fundamentalist, evangelical christianity and GOP politics is taking the country down a dangerous path.

Nov 16, 2020
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SeaRay215ex 7 replied Nov 17, 2020

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They’re all a bunch of morons. These clowns have a spine made of straw.

DenoPenno
Level 8

Religion itself is bad enough. Once it merges with politics all sorts of things are imagined. Look at Trump's GOP, remarks of current popular televangelists, and even former Congress woman Michelle Bachmann. These people are outrageous now on the Biden win. I saw a clip of Kenneth Copeland and immediately thought they should bring back the TV show "Hee Haw." He would be perfect for that.


Nov 16, 2020
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SeaRay215ex 7 replied Nov 17, 2020
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The new show should be called “King Pedophile”.

ToakReon
Level 8

Excessively.

Nov 16, 2020
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DangerDave
Level 9

There has been use of religion to control the population for all of recorded history. We are only now just beginning to move beyond that though any Trump supporter will tell you differently

Nov 16, 2020
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Mvtt 6 replied Nov 16, 2020
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So correct. I think trump supporters have a dangerous religious mindset. Same with the far leftist though. Not sure what we can do about that.

DangerDave 9 replied Nov 16, 2020
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@Mvtt at least the far left is following a humanist agenda

Mvtt 6 replied Nov 16, 2020
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@DangerDave Superficial. I think it’s unethical and irrational, to de-platform people like Richard Dawkins and other leading intellectual minds, and is not in line with affirming the worth, dignity and autonomy of said people who also have the right to offend. They’ve chosen fear over love, and I for one, won’t be a part of that. I don’t see the humanist agenda from the far left at all. I’m for rational progression, not emotional destruction.

How does religion and politics as affect our culture?