I wonder how a vegan would respond to that. Naturally occurring suffering would be an acceptable evil while the population numbers adjust to equilibrium? That's the best argument I can come up with for them, but it still means they have have to be okay with a lot of animal suffering. Of course, these people do not make logical arguments in the first place, so I don't know why I would hold them to that standard in a hypothetical.

@JeffMurray ...so they're saying don't kill to eat, wait until it gets weak and old and die before you eat ‍
...animals get sick and die not just because of old age. How are we to know then what we're eating and we've been through mad cow disease once before! I cannot see people eating beef just because the cow has aged and now lack all the nutrients when it was younger. I don't eat beef.

@TimeOutForMe Yeah let them starve essentially it's ok to be cruel . The pictures I saw was heartbreaking, the damage to the environment was horrible trees dying from bark stripped by starving deer

@TimeOutForMe I agree, I don't want to eat animals that died of old age the same way I don't want to eat vegetables that have died and fallen to the ground. That's just not how most of life has evolved (obviously there are some organisms that only eat dead stuff). Killing other shit and turning its building blocks of life into more of yourself is how we got to where we are. Not sure what humans obsession with fighting against natural selecting and evolution is all about.