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Around ⅔ of Republicans believe Trump's big lie. Where in the heck are we going to get 45 million straight jackets? 🤔

Flyingsaucesir 8 Apr 28
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Everyone went to bed on the night of 11/2/2022 believing Trump had won re-election.

Hundreds of thousands of votes came in for Biden overnight.

Those are facts.

You aren't going to get Republicans to trust the vote counting in Democratic cities like Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia.

Instead they will focus on preventing what they believe to be fraud in the future.

BD66 Level 8 Apr 28, 2022

Wow, that is a total mis-characterization! I remember very well that we all stayed up late expecting to see Trump's early lead evaporate as mail-in ballots began to be counted. And what we hoped and expected would happen did happen. Biden won the popular vote with over seven million more ballots than Trump. And Biden beat Trump resoundingly in the electoral college as well. It was a landslide! Trump's petulant denial that he had lost was, though unprecedented, not surprising, since he had said for years that the only way he could lose was by fraud. Funny how that supposed fraud only affected votes in the presidential race. We don't hear any Republicans who won their down-ballot races saying their victories are suspect. Yeah, its funny alright, but funny weird, not funny ha ha. Equally weird is how many Republicans (not all) refuse to acknowledge the over sixty frivolous lawsuits Trump's lawyers lost or had tossed out of court, many by Republican-appointed judges. Some of those judges who ruled against Trump had even been appointed by Trump himself. And then there was Trump's own hand-picked Attorney General, who said that Trump's claims of fraud were "bullshit." And Trump's own cyber security czar said that the 2020 election was spectacularly clean. And then there are the recounts. Every recount has confirmed Biden's win. Cyber Ninjas spent months poring over the count in Arizona only to find that Biden had won by a greater margin than initially thought. And we are finally getting details on how a rumor of vote switching in one Minnesota county turned out to be nothing more than a simple human error that had been immediately corrected. Even though Trump's operatives were repeatedly told by the experts they hired that there was no fraud, they kept insisting that there was. And so a new religion formed around a pack of lies.

@Flyingsaucesir Your memory is faulty. TV and viewers were being given real-time probabilities of a Trump victory vs. a Biden victory. The probability of a Trump victory varied between about 60% and 80% for most of election night, so most people went to bed thinking it was likely Trump had won, then everyone woke up in the morning and were informed Biden had won. Here are the probabilities from one source:

[fortune.com]

@BD66 You are talking about TV probabilities, but I am talking about what we (my friends and family) hoped, expected, and did. It was just like I described above.

@Flyingsaucesir The 75 million Republicans who went to bed on Election night believing Trump had a 80% chance of being re-elected were watching the analysis that was presented on TV. They were not watching the analysis of you, your friends, and your family. That's why they believe the Democrats in Milwaukee, Detroit, and Philadelphia stole the election. That's why they are focused on minimizing fraud in future elections.

@BD66 Well here's the thing: it is not unusual for ballot counts to be finalized a day or two after the polls have closed. Nobody should form a fixed belief based on the projections of TV pundits on election night. And since the election much analysis and recounting has been done, and it all points to one indisputable outcome: Biden whipped Trump, fair and square. Trump's operatives immediately began to spread lies, but all of those have been thoroughly debunked. And I will repeat what I said above.

  1. We don't hear any Republicans who won their down-ballot races saying their victories are suspect.

  2. Over sixty frivolous lawsuits Trump's lawyers brought were lost or tossed out of court, many by Republican-appointed judges. Some of those judges who ruled against Trump had even been appointed by Trump himself.

  3. Trump's own hand-picked Attorney General said that Trump's claims of fraud were "bullshit."

  4. And Trump's own cyber security czar said that the 2020 election was spectacularly clean.

  5. Every recount has confirmed Biden's win. Cyber Ninjas spent months poring over the count in Arizona only to find that Biden had won by a greater margin than originally thought.

These are meaningful data points. To think that what some TV pundits projected on election night somehow carries more weight than points 1 -5 above is just brain-dead stupidity, or willful ignorance, or a deeply cynical attempt to obtain by force what could not be gotten in a free and fair democratic process. Or it could be some combination of these. It sure ain't an fair and honest take on the 2020 election.

@BD66 By the way, it's pretty damn bold of you to pretend to know what 75 million people thought on one night in November. Just saying.

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