I photographed the opening of the libertarian web page for all to see. [lp.org]
It states that:"Libertarians strongly oppose any government interference in your personal, family, and business decisions" - so long as you do not harm one another.
There are 2 points immediately obvious -
Without government control regulating people there is anarchy. How can you have family without rules on how they are formed and conducted? Until recently there was no law against rape in marriage & in many parts of the world there still isn't.
Human beings are incapable of individually self regulating because they are inherently narcissistic & hubristic.
Example: The heroin dealer doesn't sell heroin to enable others to have a jolly beneficial time but to make profit only for himself. Whilst doing so he will enjoy the benefit of the state provided street corner & its lighting at night whilst selling his wares without contributing to the cost of constructing & maintenance of that street corner if he can.
As the libertarians seemingly don't care of others having differing opinions from their own they will undoubtedly claim that this is harming them. Without governing laws, checks & controls libertarians will do as they desire to the detriment of all but themselves.
Having done so they will then defend their destructive selfish action with lies, untruths, diversions & more unwholesome stupid activity. Often employing lawyers to do so.
Now let's see who agrees with me and who agrees with you. Please feel free to enhance my learning & understanding in this matter.
Interesting discussion re the concept of libertarianism.
I agree with some of the concepts of this philosophy. And was somewhat surprised that by some metrics my home country New Zealand/Aotearoa is ranked as the top libertarian nation in the world.
Here’s the link:
My neighbour across the ditch frayedbear will probably be spluttering gobs of the golden amber in his tinny to discover that Australia is fifth on the list.
Interestingly, the USA is ranked fifteenth!
Can I add that many wealthy so called libertarian Americans own homes in New Zealand. The guy who set up PayPal, Peter Thiel comes to mind. Why is that, I wonder?
We never talk about the concept of Libertarianism in NZ. Maybe that’s a cultural thing.
Just a reminder. Our borders are finally open again to non NZ citizens after more than two years. And we’re welcoming visitors, no matter what their beliefs are, back to Aotearoa. Hope you can make it.
True libertarians would have totally open borders in the area of land under this regime, right? And anyone would be free to live there. Well, that’s my understanding anyway. Interested to have your opinion on that one.
Every so- called Libertarian I've ever encountered I have asked what exactly it means to be one.
I never get a straight answer. They don't know themselves. They hum and hah around at the question. They like calling themselves Libertarians because it sounds cool. To me it's just Conservatism Light, and nothing more. I've long since ignored the term as yet another American fantasy -- added to the queue.
So, you think fiscal responsibility and social liberalism equates to lunacy and narcissism? If so, I'd have to disagree.
Governmental laws/rules have been ineffective, despite laws against rape and murder for example there have and continues to be far too many cases of such, which must beg the question just how useful are the laws and Government in the first place? Also, anarchy might not be as bad as some make it out to be, and is more in line with the natural order of things (aka, nature).
Humans aren't capable of self-regulating? Governmental regulations sure haven't solved the problems for the most part, and how do you know for certain a voluntary society would not work when such a concept has yet to be fully instituted anywhere in the world? That mentality unto itself could be considered narcissistic, believing humans aren't capable of running their own lives, albeit also a rather fascist stance.
When human beings are free to make their own choices on matters, sometimes someone may seek to take advantage of another individual, but that still doesn't remove the fact that the drug scenario you proposed above would constitute a voluntary/consensual exchange, and again anything less than a consensual agreement would be authoritarian in nature.
The Libertarians I know are hardly selfish and don't seek to engage in any activities that could directly negatively impact another, and give quite a bit to charity. For example and a little known fact about myself, when I was younger I worked a side gig as an erotic male performer at local hen parties, and gave alot of my tip money to charities that benefitted breast cancer research and victims of domestic abuse. Would you call my acts selfish?
I could go on, but somehow I suspect your mind is already made up on the matter, and nothing I could say would change your mind otherwise. You are convinced we Libertarians are evil selfish psychos, which you are entitled to such opinions of course, but you would be wrong about that. Pay close attention to any comments on this post that would align with yours, noting how hateful cynical and vengeful such comments are in nature, and perhaps you'll realize that those who hate on the Libertarians are the real ones who are selfish and narcissistic psychopaths. Both the progressive types and conservatives are like that by the way.
In closing, while you contend humanity cannot succeed without Governmental regulations (in other words, the Government instructing people on how to run their lives), I contend those who feel that way just might be morons and not even realize they are such, as it truly doesn't get much more moronic than feeling a need to be dictated to and told how to live your life by... wait for it... other human beings who happen to work for your local governing body. Do you see how stupid that is, complaining about those who question Government authority and think humans are not capable of controlling their own lives while thinking that "special" human beings who work in Government have all the solutions? Only the special humans working for Government can help all of humanity, and those who just want to live their lives in peace are just narcissistic no-goodniks (insert sarcasm). Please note my restraint on how throughout history Governments have/had a way of habitually violating human rights, which could further validate my take on the matter. Such violations have recently occured here in the US, certain individuals in positions of Governmental power have made a move to seriously limit a woman's right to an abortion/bodily autonomy, and I'm sure more violations from Governmental authorities is coming in due course.