I think so too, humans are more pack animals than independent Hunters. the closest thing to an atheist church that I've seen here in America are the Unitarian Universalists.

I must have a warped human nature, I avoid people most of the time. And live here!

@Teresa I would love to live somewhere similar. I prefer minimal physical interaction with other human beings, but life seems to dictate otherwise!

Do they really? I block most morons like that when I see em but they sound more honest than the ones who think Jesus was a white republican. Do they not notice that they’re the ones sharing their bed and fleas with the religious most often? I’m sure it’s just coincidence.

@Wurlitzer I thought it was strange too. the Libertarians are worse than anybody. they are violently against taxes and violently against helping those who are unfortunate. Many in the group support the Supreme Court's ruling on the cake case. They think that business owners should be able to discriminate against anybody if they want to. For most of us that's considered to be the ultimate selfish bastard

@Kojaksmom That's libertarianism in a nutshell, "the ultimate selfish bastard" party. Their entire political philosophy condenses down to "I've got mine, fuck everyone else"

Good points. Would you think a humanist focus would have better luck? Something to focus on other than lack of belief?

@Tucker79 Yes, secular humanism might be better, but the humanist societies have had meetings and they haven't exactly set the world on fire either.

True, which is why I mentioned the grain of salt, but it does get me thinking about the level of religiosity in the US and the positive social networking that religions provide (that can keep people in religion even when they don't believe).

@Tucker79 Take a look at the crime statistics on bible states and compare them to the same type of statistics on more secular states like in New England. You are in for a surprise.

@KashFigueroa not sure you and I are trying to discuss the same thing. I have heard and seen people who don't believe but still hang onto religion or even "spirituality". I thought it interesting that the US is (according to this article) more strongly embedded than even people who consider themselves religious in other nations. That's the aspect I was trying to explore

Who prays to science? I don't. On the contrary. That comes from christians trying to divide the atheists that they concoct those ridiculous statements. That is just a simple passing of disinformation to destroy us. Don't fall for that crap because it is crap. Atheism is not a religion and cannot be a religion.

@KashFigueroa Who see science as the new religion? scientists as new apostles? Were you been? Stick around... hawkins the messiah/prophet just died.

@GipsyOfNewSpain Hawking was not a saint. He simply had a great mind that he could visualize the Universe and its inner workings. Before he got the ALS, he was a party animal in college and had lots of fun partying around. ALS stopped him and he decided to use his mind as he could not walk or do things that most people do w/o a wheel chair.

@KashFigueroa yeah jesus was missing in action from childhood wonder miracle boy until his 30's, another party animal. He, he, ha, he, ha, ha.

@GipsyOfNewSpain what exactly are you trying to poke fun at here? Seems like you’re creating a straw man argument out of some mysterious distaste for scientists.

I wouldn't call it church, and I cringe at those who do.

Yeah! You’ll have to be more Pacific. ?

@Wurlitzer

Ha ha! That's good.