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To have a real legacy Biden will have to be more radical: [theguardian.com]

Theresa_N 8 Jan 22
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While fighting with my boss, I told him my sign of success for Biden is whether after 4 years he has brought the left and the right closer together and further away from this civil war we're almost in. The rift will tear this country apart if allowed to widen.

JazznBlues Level 8 Jan 22, 2021
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Biden put a picture of FDR over his desk so I’m optimistic. If he doesn’t live up to his hype, then we hold his feet to the fire. People get away with what you let them.

...we hold his feet to the fire and fan its flames.

You two just keep telling yourself that and wishing that Biden can be influenced by peasants like us. Instead, I will choose reality..

@TomMcGiverin two days into Biden’s administration, you aren’t going to harsh my buzz! I feel like a boulder has been lifted off of me. So far, I have little to complain of his actions and by comparison to Trump, much to cheer.

What reality are you choosing? Elected officials can be influenced especially in the age of social media.

@Killtheskyfairy Get back to me in several months after Biden has not really done anything for average people that would cost the rich and corporate America anything. Then you can tell me I'm wrong about him. I'm not worried about being proven wrong, since I already saw this movie for eight years with Obama. Have you forgotten all that already? I haven't, but maybe identity politics and happy talk are enough for you. I promise you, it won't be enough for the working class to vote Dem in four years for prez...

@TomMcGiverin Aw! Bernie bro still upset that the putz didn’t win because no one voted for him because he’s a big talker with no real accomplishments?

Obama didn’t do anything? Fox News watcher? I realize living in Iowa with all the pigs, corn and fascist republicans rots your brain but I know how Bush left the country and how Obama did. It wasn’t a socialist utopia but it wasn’t a Nazi hellscape.

@Killtheskyfairy Actually, I usually watch MSNBC, even tho I know they are very corporate and were very against Bernie. I'll see you in four years after Biden Harris have greased things for a Repub win for prez. Without Covid and the economic collapse, Biden would have lost and you know it.

@TomMcGiverin it’s funny that a supposed socialist spouts the right wing Nazi talking points like identity politics, etc. I don’t hear that one on MSNBC. It usually only comes from disgruntled white men who see their absolute male patriarchy starting to crumble and think women are stupid to want to see female representation equal to their population majority and contribution to society.

I’m surprised at your vitriol since Biden embraced all of his opponents adding them to ticket, cabinet, and policy development. The only one of them on the stage not smiling and fist bumping was the Sanders curmudgeon, who sat slouched in his chair with the body language of a truculent teenager. Wah! Poor Bernie! Nobody likes him. He had to take his own selfie and he became a laughable meme. Yes, we'll see.

@Killtheskyfairy My beef with identity politics is that the Dems use it as a substitute for actually fighting for the working class and poor, while too many people get suckered into thinking that ID politics is an acceptable substitute for not fighting class war on behalf of the classes that the Dems claim to be on the side of, at least more on the side of than the Repubs. The fact is, when it comes to class and who the economy is run to benefit, the two major parties are pretty much the same. You don't seem to want to admit that, much less discuss it. I'm not the only one who feels that way.

@TomMcGiverin I feel sorry for you living in the flat, treeless landscape of Iowa with the pig castrator as your Senator. But you went from arguing Biden’s not going to get a second term to ranting about class warfare again spouting the fascist lie that both parties are the same. They are not and Bernie has never been the most progressive even if he tries to dress like a working class schmuck in his $132 coat. [progressivepunch.org]

Continually changing the subject instead of addressing your opponent’s points just makes you a bad debater.

Biden might not have a second term because I don’t think he’ll live that long but Democrats will.

@Killtheskyfairy Time to block.

@TomMcGiverin Try winning allies. Block me too.

@TomMcGiverin A full day and you haven’t blocked me?

A second thought. You say you will choose reality, when your reality is “...peasants like us.”?

Your reality needs help. I hope you get some.

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Time will tell, Biden has a lot of experience in the Senate and is white which was the problem Obama had from those racist senators

bobwjr Level 10 Jan 22, 2021

I agree. Time will tell.

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