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"That POOR woman"
Does anyone else share my concern that too much responsibility for what happens in politics is heaped on the shoulders of ONE person. TM is working herself to the bone to gain sympathy over a very flawed deal, and now, IF there were a peoples vote she would gain a large sympathy movement for a Brexit that should have been aborted on conception. How do we re-instate cabinet government?

Mcflewster 8 Dec 13
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Let it be known of your concerns at local level and your consideration to vote independently at next government and local elections because of this issue. With enough noise the backbenchers will fear for their seats and register their concern to government. At the end of the day cabinet are responsible to government who are responsible to parliament who in turn are responsible to the people. It is just necessary to follow the route through to make your voices heard.

Geoffrey51 Level 8 Dec 20, 2018
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Once the vote for Brexit was confirmed, then Camoron should have insisted on a government of unity, where an all party coalition government handled the Brexit. And yes, too much for one person

Sofabeast Level 7 Dec 19, 2018
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We will need an early general election after we either Brexit or suddenly remain. Then we can rebuild Cabinet consensus government.
It will be beyond my lifetime before the debacle sorts itself out. Cameron has split to people of the UK and a 'Civil War' has happened. The drive for Scottish independence may well win out (I met Alec Salmond in my local Co Op the other weekend when he was buying up the cheap deals, and blue tracksuit bottoms with shabby shoes how the powerful have fallen) should they win, it will be 'Call me Dave's' fault.
Of course if another referendum is called and it goes to remain, even with a decent majority then the divide is still going to be there.
I watched a news item from Germany today. Their take is the UK must stay in or else sink. If we leave, then the crash on the pound will cripple our ability to import goods, kill the NHS and cause world wide recession.

Sofabeast Level 7 Dec 19, 2018
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I don't believe the sympathy latent in the term "poor" applies to Mrs May. She volunteered to put herself up as a target, and the rabid conservative mob accepted her because there was no realistic contender other than that bumbling twit called Boris. I suspect she will go down in the historical annuls as one of the worst PMs this country has ever had.

rcandlish Level 7 Dec 14, 2018
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When we, in America, figure it out, we'll definitely let you all know. We gotta get rid of Dotard, or he's gonna fucking kill us all.

Twisted185 Level 6 Dec 13, 2018
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I do agree this was too much of a burden for one person .I think they should have set up a cross party committee of Brexiters to negotiate the deal.

Xanadutoo Level 7 Dec 13, 2018

Why only Brexiteers? Who is going to decide what is good for Brittain? We would never recover from a 'Trial period'.

@Mcflewster If we are going out we can't be half hearted .This is real life why would someone want to punish us like for leaving it is not a crime.I would not mind another referendum but the truth needs to be told.Anyone with a brain knew 350 million was not a fact that is not why people wanted to leave.If we wanted to stay in now we would be ostracize for the next few years.
The reason we are in a bad situation is because the negotiators didn't want to leave and the EU knew that.There is no way back .Even when we were prosperous our hospitals police and social services were underfunded.We need to stop fighting amongst ourselves and make the best for our future.

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Tory grandee and former Deputy PM Michael Heseltine today told the BBC that May is delusional - and then, even more damningly, that there is no 'element of truth' in the slogans she spouts meaninglessly to the nation. (Quoted from 'The Skwakbox'😉

CeliaVL Level 7 Dec 13, 2018
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She is not a "Poor woman" in any sense.
She is Prime Minister, she not only chose to be prime minister she fought to be Prime minister.
"Would we be saying "The that poor man" if it were still Cameron at no.10? No we would be calling him incompetent and negligent which he was.
I care not if the prime minister is male female or a transvestite wombat called Euphemia Brian Fumblebuck, so long as they do the job they asked for, are well paid for and were elected to do.
There is no need for gender politics, and has has been rightly pointed out it is parliament that is supposed to run the country, with government as their representative and the Prime Minister as the titular head.
Not a dictatorship, not a cult of personality and not an elected monarch.

We have fought for equality in this country for all "subjects" (and we are still technically subjects not citizens) so it is a bit hypocrytical to play the gender card when the going gets a bit rough or a lot rough as in this case.
Mrs. May botched it, the buck stops on her desk, she should suck it up, apologise and then either deal with it like a grown ass politician or have the good graced to resign.

Just to make it clear, I would not call her a poor woman either.

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Margaret Thatcher began the attempt to make the UK prime minister more presidential and Tony Blair continued this. While the prime minister speaks for the party in power, she/he should be only a spokesperson, and the cabinet should make the decisions. I believe that underJjeremy Corbyn we shall return to that situation as he is not a man who likes the limelight. People criticise him for not having 'star quality' like Tony Blair, but I think he is the better for that. I find it hard to feel sorry for Theresa May - yes, she is in a difficult and stressful situation, but it is of her own making and she has done some very nasty things in her time.

CeliaVL Level 7 Dec 13, 2018

Well said

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Yes, I agree. She is clearly between a rock and a hard place, and the best thing she could now do is allow Parliament to vote on her Deal with the EU. It will be voted down and then a No Confidence vote would be called by Labour....a General Election would follow, leaving the EU would have to be put on hold or withdrawn, as the deadline of March would be impossible.

Exactly, we are not ready, there is no bar on putting a hold on brexit, this head long dash, politics of fear, lemming like rush to completely knacker the economy and trade relation world wide is insane.
Yes the referendum voted out.
But it voted for Out now (2016), no deal, thank you and good night Vienna.
That did not happen.
It is now years later, many who voted are dead, many who could not vote now can, the lies have been exposed and the truth has been made clear to anyone wanting to hear it.
We as four nations, not the catch all UK, or Great Briton, or the British isles or what ever convenient gerrymandering title you want to use this week need to have our say.
There is no reason at all why Scotland and Northern Ireland cannot be in the EU, and England and Whales not, it would no more break up the Union that being in the EU now breaks up the commonwealth, in fact it would be advantageous all around, would probably prevent any further talk of devolution and allow for British business to have the good parts of membership while allowing them also to take advantage of separate trade deals in the other parts of the none EU parts of the UK.
Best of both worlds.

@LenHazell53 Maybe you and I should go into politics...we couldn’t make a worse job of it than the present lot...Labour included. What is missing all round is common sense and pragmatism, they should be two of the essential qualifications for leadership. This idea that once a decision is made it is written on tablets of stone and is sacrosanct, regardless of changes in circumstance and when it is glaringly detrimental to the country, is completely insane. Lemming like is a perfect description!

@Marionville The whole point of democratic government was to be of service, there should be no such thing as a professional politician (or professional sportsman for that matter) a politician trained in university is like an artist trained to paint by numbers, the result maybe technically correct but will never be inspired original or passionate.

MY late writing partner Chris did dabble in politics in his youth but gave it up in later life, once asked him why he never sought elected office and his answer has stayed with me to this day.
"I could never be a politician I am handicapped with two things that prevent it,
a working brain and a father"

@LenHazell53 I have always been extremely interested in politics and had I not moved to Northern Ireland, with all likelihood I may have become one. We have “Mickey Mouse” politics here....orange and green, so I was never going to find a home in either of them. My father in law once said of a DUP candidate who had nothing between the ears....”they could put a monkey up as a candidate and he would be elected in East Belfast” ! That just about sums things up here.

@Marionville Why not they actually did elect a monkey (or at least a guy in a monkey suit) as the mayor of Hartlepool, twice.
[news.bbc.co.uk]

@LenHazell53 How true, I’d forgotten!

@Marionville love the idea but anyone with common sense wouldn’t want to get involved with politics at that level of high office!

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