MoA - Russiagate Is Really Finished

powder comments on Apr 26, 2019:

People don't understand how utterly dangerous this is. Let's take the Skripal case. Trump had been accused of being in Putin's pocket for months so when the CIA advised of options to punish Russia (still no evidence) he wanted to look tough so chose the most extreme choice; expelling diplomats. As...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 26, 2019:

In one piece I read the DNC said the FBI never asked to examine the servers. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/alimwatkins/the-fbi-never-asked-for-access-to-hacked-computer-servers

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

genessa comments on Apr 25, 2019:

by the way, i am not by any means a biden booster. i am a GET A DEM INTO OFFICE AND GET TRUMP INTO PRISON booster. g

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 26, 2019:

@genessa Well, he likes Nancy Smash! What's that tell you?

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

genessa comments on Apr 25, 2019:

oh so not being perfect or being too centrist isn't better than having a nazi in the white house? biden is not even close to being my first choice and he won't get my vote in the primary but i'll be damned if i let trump stay put! get REAL! g

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 26, 2019:

@genessa As is your right. The Dems continued their shenanigans at their convention too. All sorts of pettiness to further alienate the progressive wing. These facts are undeniable, regardless of your own claims. I side with the truth-tellers who saw the cheating and reported on it all through the process. Again, your vote is your own, as is mine. So is each of our rights to express our opinions in this forum The field is loaded as a ploy to have superdelegates decide the nomination on the 2nd ballot. I'm prepared for a knock down drag out fight. So are the candidates I want to win.

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

genessa comments on Apr 25, 2019:

by the way, i am not by any means a biden booster. i am a GET A DEM INTO OFFICE AND GET TRUMP INTO PRISON booster. g

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 26, 2019:

Joe campaigned for a Republican in one state. Clearly his loyalties are fungible.

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 25, 2019:

But I don't want *any* centrism!

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

@genessa This happens quite a bit in our exchanges it seems. I merely said I will not endorse Biden. It does not mean you do by default. I have no idea why you so often choose to be contentious with me. We can agree to disagree and leave it at that, no?

One of the most sinister bits of dialogue from the book.

BD66 comments on Apr 25, 2019:

I remember the scene where Yossarian needed a parachute. He opened the compartment where it was supposed to be, and Milo put a "share" in there for taking the parachute.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

The rest of the scene still gives me chills. He's trying to give aid to Snowden, and his sides split open. Having done emergency first aid before, I remember the passages in the book vividly as Yossarian was trying to keep his calm tending to Snowden's leg wound. "There, there. There, there."

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 25, 2019:

But I don't want *any* centrism!

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

@genessa You do you. Biden is a corporatist pick. I'll not endorse that.

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

genessa comments on Apr 25, 2019:

oh so not being perfect or being too centrist isn't better than having a nazi in the white house? biden is not even close to being my first choice and he won't get my vote in the primary but i'll be damned if i let trump stay put! get REAL! g

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

@genessa Bernie kept his word in supporting HRC though I feel their cheating made that null and void. I think he could have won as a Green, but he determined that too big a gamble. It was his choice. As far as him not spotlighting the cheating, I feel that was s strategic choice, and one that I disagree with. It may come up again for 2020. He needs to be ready for that.

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

St-Sinner comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Is Biden - the hold your nose candidate or Trump?

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

@genessa We haven't even had a single debate and rallying around a hypothetical Biden nomination is your issue? I know who Biden is and what he stands for. I want better.

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 25, 2019:

But I don't want *any* centrism!

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

@SiouxcitySue Gonna make my most strident case early and often. As for beyond that... tomorrow never knows.

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 25, 2019:

But I don't want *any* centrism!

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

@SiouxcitySue There's plenty of time for that. Listening to a Jimmy Dore livestream right now about how state Democratic delegate selections already involve cheating. It's like they can't help themselves. I have no idea what a "real man" is or isn't supposed to do. I have an idea of how people of integrity can respond to those without any. The centrists are doubling down on their tone deafness as far as I'm concerned. The plan with Hillary was always to make her look better against a shitty candidate of their own making (Pied Piper) with some painfully tragic results. Trotting out the same failed game plan for 2020 is the height of insanity and hubris. F that S. Seriously.

"Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened." - Dr. Seuss

Freedompath comments on Apr 25, 2019:

It is always a while (if ever), ‘to smile that it happened!’

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

So very true.

"What could possibly go wrong?" Timmy Turner

jerry99 comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Simplistic and wrong.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

@jerry99 Sounds like you should back a progressive candidate then. You push shitty candidates early, you sour quite a few people on the entire process. I don't give a shit about your own triangulations. You vote however you see fit (that's how the process works). JiJust remember, nobody is obligated to vote the way you think they should. Hillary wanted it both ways. She (and Schumer) said they didn't need progressive votes, at the same time they acted as if those votes belonged to her by default.

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 25, 2019:

But I don't want *any* centrism!

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

@genessa I could cheerlead for Biden from here to doomsday and it wouldn't change a thing. He's damaged goods in more ways than one.

"Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened." - Dr. Seuss

IamNobody comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Very appropriate for our beloved departed general forum.....

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

I never knew about it. I miss Taboo Island. The originator just shut it down. Can't even go check out what was once there. I don't understand.

"What could possibly go wrong?" Timmy Turner

jerry99 comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Simplistic and wrong.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

@jerry99 Trump fans didn't care what was revealed about the Hair Fuhrer. Bernie fans (the "Bro" term is bullshit as Bernie has quite solid support from minorities and women) are quite loyal and have seen him smeared from every side, including Establishment Dems themselves. He has to ability to pull in votes from independents. He has already shown he can win over former Trump voters in districts that Obama won and Hillary lost. It just eats away at Hillbots that the Berners were right after all. Bernie will have 4 years of Trump crap to deal with as well because of Team Hillary's Pied Piper.

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

Larry-new comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Matthew Walther's essay, courtesy of The Week Magazine: How to Beat Biden https://theweek.com/articles/836978/joe-bidens-campaign-going-parody-itself?utm_campaign=newsletter=afternoon=04_25_19-article_1-836978

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

@Larry-new My slogan is, "Just say No! to Creepy Credit Card Joe."

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

St-Sinner comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Is Biden - the hold your nose candidate or Trump?

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

Biden. When Hillary was the Dem nominee (stolen imho, but whatever), people were openly stating they'd be holding their noses to vote for her. Not a ringing endorsement by any stretch of the imagination. Biden is more of the same. Dolt 45 rode the wave of anti-establishment sentiments in 2016. For Dems to boot him from office, they need someone to energize the base. Biden will not do that. In fact, he'll pretty much do the opposite.

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

Looking4-Others comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Man you got that right!

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

I'm quite encouraged by those others who can see through the BS.

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

Larry-new comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Matthew Walther's essay, courtesy of The Week Magazine: How to Beat Biden https://theweek.com/articles/836978/joe-bidens-campaign-going-parody-itself?utm_campaign=newsletter=afternoon=04_25_19-article_1-836978

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

Great read. Thx.

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

genessa comments on Apr 25, 2019:

oh so not being perfect or being too centrist isn't better than having a nazi in the white house? biden is not even close to being my first choice and he won't get my vote in the primary but i'll be damned if i let trump stay put! get REAL! g

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

@genessa I'm worried the kneecappers and gaslighters are out in force. They had a secret meeting on how to stop Bernie fer chrissakes. If they try to cheat again, they can fuck right off. As observed about last time, it would be like the thief who stole you car asking for gas money afterwards.

Biden boosters telling me another "hold your nose" candidate is the path to victory.

genessa comments on Apr 25, 2019:

oh so not being perfect or being too centrist isn't better than having a nazi in the white house? biden is not even close to being my first choice and he won't get my vote in the primary but i'll be damned if i let trump stay put! get REAL! g

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

The time to weed out doomed candidates is *now*! "Blue no matter who" did not pull in the progressive wing. A progressive candidate has the potential to pull in centrists... unless they were lying. My honest evaluation of Biden is that he's an albatross.

"What could possibly go wrong?" Timmy Turner

Larry-new comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Biden, like Hillary, is so blah....

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

Pretty much.

"What could possibly go wrong?" Timmy Turner

Infoguy211 comments on Apr 25, 2019:

I hope that Biden crashes and burns in record time

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

@Aryn If he advocated policies I supported, I'd be less concerned about his propensity for gaffes. After all, Dolt 45 can barely string two sentences together to form a coherent thought. Biden had his chance, and that ship has sailed.

"What could possibly go wrong?" Timmy Turner

Aryn comments on Apr 25, 2019:

That girl is a UNT alum. Go Eagles! Incorrect use of the overly attached girlfriend meme though.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

Quite to opposite imho. Establishment Dems seem overly attached to pushing so-called centrists against the will of their base. Trump rode the wave of anti-establishment sentiment while the Dems were certain a warmongering corporatist running a "Not Trump!" platform would be enough to win the day. They seem to be doubling down on that same cluelessness. Their secret meeting was on how to beat Bernie, not Trump. If that isn't enough evidence of them being out of touch, I don't know what is.

"What could possibly go wrong?" Timmy Turner

Looking4-Others comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Buttigieg is their choice Biden is just a distraction

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

Bernie is up against a slew of kneecappers and gaslighters, from what I can tell.

"What could possibly go wrong?" Timmy Turner

jerry99 comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Simplistic and wrong.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

Establishment Dems have a track record of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Let's look at something as simple as running an anti-war candidate. That has the support of a majority of Americans across virtually the entire political spectrum. Yet corporate Dems marginalize those in their ranks advocating that. Cui bono?

"What could possibly go wrong?" Timmy Turner

brentan comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Stay alive, Bernie!

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

Boy howdy. He seems to be running against a whole slew of kneecappers and gaslighters.

Go home, folks. You're bought.

jerry99 comments on Apr 25, 2019:

Wrong.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 25, 2019:

For instance, the roar for Joe Biden to run is deafening. It must be, because I don't hear anything. It seems to me that Establishment Dems would rather lose with a centrist than win with a progressive. That secret DCCC meeting on how to kneecap Bernie pretty much establishes that, no?

"In our obscurity - in all this vastness - there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to ...

callmedubious comments on Apr 23, 2019:

another reminder that the human race is fckd. how many per day do we need?

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 23, 2019:

Failure is not an option.

"In our obscurity - in all this vastness - there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to ...

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 22, 2019:

And sometimes it's hard not to be overwhelmed with "compassion fatigue." There's so many things to fret over, it is almost paralysing.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 22, 2019:

@brentan I like Banksy's take.

"In our obscurity - in all this vastness - there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to ...

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 22, 2019:

And sometimes it's hard not to be overwhelmed with "compassion fatigue." There's so many things to fret over, it is almost paralysing.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 22, 2019:

Why bother indeed.

C-SPAN currently has war criminal Condoleeza Rice in a panel pontificating on US foreign policy.

THHA comments on Apr 21, 2019:

These people deserve the guillotine, if not worse.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 22, 2019:

Break out the tumbrels.

"Fight them to the end, until the children of the poor eat better than the dogs of the rich."

Kafirah comments on Apr 21, 2019:

I think we should fight them until the dogs of the poor eat better than the children of the rich.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 22, 2019:

I wouldn't say no.

Can't argue with science!

madmac comments on Apr 21, 2019:

Scientists can be oh so wrong. I recall the established ones poo hooed the postulation that the globe consists of many floating tectonic plates which had originally fitted into each other but had floated apart and the constant moving and jostling was the cause of earthquakes. They fell flat on their...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 21, 2019:

"I don't want to believe, I want to know." ~ some person I read

Can't argue with science!

rogueflyer comments on Apr 21, 2019:

Makes you feel pretty insignificant doesn't it? This god guy must be bad ass.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 21, 2019:

Yes, his arms are still too short to box with me. ?

I just joined the group "Republican Atheists" because I'm fascinated just what sort of animal that ...

repubatheists comments on Apr 21, 2019:

Thank you for drawing attention to Republican Atheists. Bad press is better than no press :) Of course you are exaggerating considerably, but that is your own interpretation.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 21, 2019:

This part is most sincere @repubatheists. Thanks for humoring me as long as you did. You make some cases worth considering though you extrapolate in ways unsupported by the examples. But one of the ways that I respect humanism so much, is their insistence that ideas go head to head. The world of competing politics and what's at stake means no one can demand a safe space to ride with the training wheels a little longer. Put your ideas on the table and defend them, or admit it's harder than you thought.

C-SPAN currently has war criminal Condoleeza Rice in a panel pontificating on US foreign policy.

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 21, 2019:

Also shown on C-SPAN are tributes to Columbine from the time on this 20th Anniversary. It was unnerving to see pedophile Denny Hastert speak before Congress about the importance of protecting children. So many congresspeople gave speeches about ensuring this does not happen again. Wonder ...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 21, 2019:

The additional pieces on this are thought -provoking, particularly in seeing those things from the the eyes of the period. So many god filters at various levels, the ultimate delusion being blaming it on godlessness. The discussion of Klebold's mom's book was sad, and had many tragically accurate observations.

In your view, what is the single most significant/important US/Western cultural development in the ...

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 21, 2019:

Seriously? I think it's the exposing of DNC chicanery and the Wikileaks revelations in general. Establishment Dem warmongering in service of their corporate masters is an idea whose time is long overdue for the dustbin of history. This sets the stage for a sea change. I hope we're up to it.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 21, 2019:

@Boxdoc Roll tide, eh? ? Glad to have you add your thoughts and support, friend.

In your view, what is the single most significant/important US/Western cultural development in the ...

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 21, 2019:

Seriously? I think it's the exposing of DNC chicanery and the Wikileaks revelations in general. Establishment Dem warmongering in service of their corporate masters is an idea whose time is long overdue for the dustbin of history. This sets the stage for a sea change. I hope we're up to it.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 21, 2019:

@noworry28 Yes... I'm a Russian troll [making eye rolls] Make no mistake, we have POS Dolt 45 because of Team Hillary and the DNC. She played chicken with the fate of the nation in her pursuit of power... and lost. Trump is the giant shit sandwich that we're all having to take a bite from because of them.

I just joined the group "Republican Atheists" because I'm fascinated just what sort of animal that ...

repubatheists comments on Apr 21, 2019:

Thank you for drawing attention to Republican Atheists. Bad press is better than no press :) Of course you are exaggerating considerably, but that is your own interpretation.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 21, 2019:

@repubatheists To continue with the analogy, your group is about transportation. Trains, planes, automobiles, and boats all come into play. You have that mentality that conservatism can't fail, it can only *be* failed. You point to supposed historical dismissals of socialism, as you ignore the many ways right wingers and their predatory capitalism fetish is destroying our nation in the here and now. You know the conservatives I still respect? It's the ones speaking out against those shitting all over the Constitution regardless of party. And there's darn too few of those. :-----: "I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being, first and foremost, and as such I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole.” ? Malcolm X

In your view, what is the single most significant/important US/Western cultural development in the ...

KKGator comments on Apr 21, 2019:

My vote is going to social media. However, it has not been "significant" in a good way.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 21, 2019:

I contend it's made inroads in citizen activism virtually unknown in prior days. Yes, there's still a lot of people content to remain in their respective bubbles reinforcing each other's prejudices, but the fact is that valuable and credible information can be disseminated more effectively, particularly when bypassing the once almighty gatekeepers is required.

I just joined the group "Republican Atheists" because I'm fascinated just what sort of animal that ...

repubatheists comments on Apr 21, 2019:

Thank you for drawing attention to Republican Atheists. Bad press is better than no press :) Of course you are exaggerating considerably, but that is your own interpretation.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 21, 2019:

Your attention is well deserved. Your sense of high and mighty... not so much. Pretty much a "godless greed is good" mindset, largely indistinguishable from libertarian sophistry or Ayn Randian delusions. I'll put it to you again... please offer a specific instance of what exactly you considered "trolling." You're thrilled by a little publicity. Here's your chance to slay the dragon. Venture forth for open combat in the arena of ideas... or run and hide. The choice is entirely yours.

Lest we forget...

callmedubious comments on Apr 20, 2019:

yeah, but those spikes thru his hands & feet couldn't have been fun.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 21, 2019:

I think it's Buddhists who have shown they can override pain signals. Again, this is a being that *knows* the true nature of existence and eternity (allegedly). We endure that and more all the time. Someone sacrificing themselves and *not* knowing what is beyond is far more impressive to me.

Veganism for Pets

Jolanta comments on Apr 20, 2019:

That is just so mean. I mean how can one possibly stop ones best friend, the one that is devoted to you, the one that never complains, never says your bum looks big in that, who is always happy to see you not have a juicy bone or a piece of steak.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 20, 2019:

I give meat scraps to the neighbor's dogs (with their permission of course). Those puppers get so excited and happy. It takes some misdirection on my part to ensure the little ones get theirs. 😄

Veganism for Pets

Jolanta comments on Apr 20, 2019:

That is just so mean. I mean how can one possibly stop ones best friend, the one that is devoted to you, the one that never complains, never says your bum looks big in that, who is always happy to see you not have a juicy bone or a piece of steak.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 20, 2019:

@Beowulfsfriend Had a friend's dog get a beef rib bone splinter stuck in the roof of its mouth. I know they love the marrow. Wonder how wild dogs deal with it. Splinters can puncture stomach and intestines I've read.

I just joined the group "Republican Atheists" because I'm fascinated just what sort of animal that ...

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 19, 2019:

I just got booted from the group (Republican Atheists) as the originator/moderator claimed I was trolling the group. I defy anyone to find evidence of that. I contend they are gutless ideologues too cowardly to actually support their own assertions. Not only can I no longer post, I've been ...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 20, 2019:

@repubatheists This be for you, my weak-kneed friend.

Veganism for Pets

Jolanta comments on Apr 20, 2019:

That is just so mean. I mean how can one possibly stop ones best friend, the one that is devoted to you, the one that never complains, never says your bum looks big in that, who is always happy to see you not have a juicy bone or a piece of steak.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 20, 2019:

The meat to be sure, but you have to be cautious about bones splintering.

Lest we forget...

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 19, 2019:

Pretty much.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 19, 2019:

Like being shot in a play... it's just pretending.

I just joined the group "Republican Atheists" because I'm fascinated just what sort of animal that ...

thinktwice comments on Apr 19, 2019:

Welcome to the saner side...being a clinical observer is fighting words to extremists...you have way too much analytical thinking skills to be there without slamming your head on the table...just don't..

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 19, 2019:

@thinktwice Indeed, though an ocean of it would likely have little effect. As I'm sure you're well aware, it was largely a troupe of howler monkeys ready to fling poo should anyone attempt to remove them from their bubble. They wear their ignorance with both a fierce pride and an unjustified arrogance.

I just joined the group "Republican Atheists" because I'm fascinated just what sort of animal that ...

thinktwice comments on Apr 19, 2019:

Welcome to the saner side...being a clinical observer is fighting words to extremists...you have way too much analytical thinking skills to be there without slamming your head on the table...just don't..

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 19, 2019:

@thinktwice And Classic Coke version... 😅😂🤣

I just joined the group "Republican Atheists" because I'm fascinated just what sort of animal that ...

thinktwice comments on Apr 19, 2019:

Welcome to the saner side...being a clinical observer is fighting words to extremists...you have way too much analytical thinking skills to be there without slamming your head on the table...just don't..

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 19, 2019:

@thinktwice Highly illogical.

I just joined the group "Republican Atheists" because I'm fascinated just what sort of animal that ...

thinktwice comments on Apr 19, 2019:

Welcome to the saner side...being a clinical observer is fighting words to extremists...you have way too much analytical thinking skills to be there without slamming your head on the table...just don't..

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 19, 2019:

@thinktwice I was new enough to this site that I truly wanted to see for myself what sort of strange beast this be. And, as the meme saying goes....

I just joined the group "Republican Atheists" because I'm fascinated just what sort of animal that ...

thinktwice comments on Apr 19, 2019:

Welcome to the saner side...being a clinical observer is fighting words to extremists...you have way too much analytical thinking skills to be there without slamming your head on the table...just don't..

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 19, 2019:

Thank you. That made my day. Your words are most generous.

I'm a substitute teacher.

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 19, 2019:

Good for you. I am open about my own non-belief/unbelief/disbelief as I feel it is important to represent humanism to others. Though occasionally I'll get a bit of pushback, as well as efforts at conversion, the overall effect is quite positive. I found it touching that one believing co-worker said ...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 19, 2019:

@Damercer1961 Re: her comment. That's exactly how I took it. She later explained it was the way I was always sharing (food, time, etc.) and willing to help without expectation of reward. Like I said, I felt I was "showing the colors" for my worldview as it were.

I'm a substitute teacher.

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 19, 2019:

Good for you. I am open about my own non-belief/unbelief/disbelief as I feel it is important to represent humanism to others. Though occasionally I'll get a bit of pushback, as well as efforts at conversion, the overall effect is quite positive. I found it touching that one believing co-worker said ...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 19, 2019:

@Damercer1961 I do not make an issue of it either, but if it comes up, I will engage in a discussion at whatever level is appropriate. I tell people I consider it a sign of respect to share my views openly and honestly.

Some people see the writing on the wall... others whistle past the graveyard.

IamNobody comments on Apr 18, 2019:

Not all Republicans are Christians..... as IamSure not all Democrats are anti-Christian (for lack of a better word). At the end of the day, we are all Americans.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 19, 2019:

@IamNobody LanceThruster *is* me. It's the online name I write under so I like to attribute the quote accordingly. I am WilliamCharles at Facebook and LanceThruster is my political page there. I think I represent humanism quite well over there and acquaintances from all godviews from all over the globe. I just made friends with a wonderful Anglican minister because we shared similar views on Notre Dame Cathedral.

Some people see the writing on the wall... others whistle past the graveyard.

repubatheists comments on Apr 18, 2019:

Been there, done that. First of two warnings - refrain from trolling this group.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 18, 2019:

@ArturoS The sensible wing of the left is far more sensible than the "sensible" wing of the right as far as I'm concerned. To pretend Smollet taints people concerned about hate crimes is just nonsense. Sandman doesn't ring any bells. The anti-abortion kid?

Some people see the writing on the wall... others whistle past the graveyard.

IamNobody comments on Apr 18, 2019:

Not all Republicans are Christians..... as IamSure not all Democrats are anti-Christian (for lack of a better word). At the end of the day, we are all Americans.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 18, 2019:

The right claims to love America, but a sizable portion of them seem to hate close to half of their fellow citizens. As far as the notion of anti-religionism, this is my view. :-----: "People are =/= to their religion I am most definitely an infidel in that I have no belief in any god or gods. A person’s individual godview is the most basic right possible that a human being can have. I personally reject Islam, Judaism, and Christianity (among others)…but do not reject Muslims, Jews, and Christians. A person’s religion and religious culture are most predictably based on their family of origin, where they were born (geography), and when they were born (i.e. no Xians pre-Christ). I stand with all people on the planet willing to work together as a species to live peacefully with each other and our environment. That does not change regardless of the actions of some who think their ‘godview’ justifies any number of horrible acts. I reject those who use such acts to demonize people who are damned for nothing more than ‘guilt by association.’" ~ LanceThruster

Some people see the writing on the wall... others whistle past the graveyard.

repubatheists comments on Apr 18, 2019:

Been there, done that. First of two warnings - refrain from trolling this group.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 18, 2019:

Do what you have to do. Humanists are supposed to be about letting their worldview go head-to-head in the arena of ideas, not operate from inside a bubble. I felt you occasionally brought up good points. I prefer that. One sharpens one's own positions by evaluating rebuttals and counterarguments fairly. You seem to want to merely "preach to the choir." When someone in here bemoans, "Why aren't there more Republican atheists?"... this is why. Even on simple inquiries not involved in trolling in the slightest, like when I ask you to offer some champions of your economic system you endorse I could read... not a single name (unless it showed up later). Instead, it's just the meme mindset of your Fox Noise watching elders. Just as puzzling, and just as easily refuted. But keep telling yourselves that you're steely-eyed pragmatists able to discern truth everyone else seems to be missing. It's no more compelling than any of the rest of the bunkum you've thrown against the wall hoping some of it will stick.

How do Republican Atheists deal with the externalities in economic models like these?

repubatheists comments on Apr 9, 2019:

Communism in Czechoslovakia had even more devastating impact on the environment and workers. Communism has also resulted in far more deaths and famines. The pros of capitalism outweighs any other economic system.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 18, 2019:

@repubatheists Glob bless poisoning the planet with a less (debatable) rapacious system then, eh?

Some people see the writing on the wall... others whistle past the graveyard.

repubatheists comments on Apr 18, 2019:

Been there, done that. First of two warnings - refrain from trolling this group.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 18, 2019:

I mean, you've got Michele Bachmann declaring that Trump is ordained by God "Himself" based on his own godly cred. Why distance yourself from your base? Own it, fer chrissakes.

Some people see the writing on the wall... others whistle past the graveyard.

repubatheists comments on Apr 18, 2019:

Been there, done that. First of two warnings - refrain from trolling this group.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 18, 2019:

Could you maybe define "trolling" then? Is your cognitive dissonance such that you deem any GOP thought not in line with your own "flavor" verboten?

How do Republican Atheists deal with the externalities in economic models like these?

repubatheists comments on Apr 9, 2019:

Communism in Czechoslovakia had even more devastating impact on the environment and workers. Communism has also resulted in far more deaths and famines. The pros of capitalism outweighs any other economic system.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 18, 2019:

You most often resort to a "tu quoque" approach. Defend how capitalism isn't destroying our world by not factoring in the costs that they pass along to the rest of us. Should be easy enough to do, no?

Put Aside Your Purity Politics and Embrace My Feckless Centrism - McSweeney’s Internet Tendency

brentan comments on Apr 18, 2019:

Excellent - just like The Onion. Timely too. I think a lot of people want to go back to same old, same old.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 18, 2019:

Poe's Law being what it is, I hope everybody can recognize that.

Too many lefters continue to reject the evil of islam.

WilliamCharles comments on Mar 20, 2019:

People are =/= to their religion I am most definitely an infidel in that I have no belief in any god or gods. A person’s individual godview is the most basic right possible that a human being can have. I personally reject Islam, Judaism, and Christianity (among others)…but do not reject ...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 17, 2019:

@Jacar There's still a lot of punching down. "People" are the ones as having a particular faith. People are falling over themselves to restore a church edifice that during its time burnt people at the stake. I stand by my statement.

"There is nothing pragmatic about an incremental solution to a catastrophic problem.

Jolanta comments on Apr 16, 2019:

People who refuse to think about environment are only interested in themselves. They don't even care for their own children.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 17, 2019:

"We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children." – ancient indigenous wisdom

Re: Notre Dame Cathedral Yes, but is our freedoms burning?

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 16, 2019:

When it happens to others, particularly when due to US militarism, the MSM does not treat it in quite the same manner. This Iraqi man is weeping over the theft and destruction of the antiquities of an Iraqi museum, the very cradle of civilization.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 16, 2019:

@F-IM-Forty They covered it... but they did not speak about it at length with the sorrow and reverence they have with Notre Dame. Mostly because we (the US and allies) were the cause of its destruction and that could not be emphasised to the point that it might sink in.

Re: Notre Dame Cathedral Yes, but is our freedoms burning?

genessa comments on Apr 16, 2019:

it's not a contest. we can be sad for the destruction of beautiful art and architecture without fearing being thought callous to the plight of the hungry and wretched. whether we do or not is another story but there is no point in condemning the media for reporting an historic and tragic event. ...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 16, 2019:

We can also contrast those things that get treated as no big deal though they are.

Re: Notre Dame Cathedral Yes, but is our freedoms burning?

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 16, 2019:

Notre Dame Cathedral in 360° panorama. https://www.360cities.net/image/france-paris-notre-dame-cathedral

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 16, 2019:

A truly painful loss.

What Do Leading Democrats Believe In? – Bracing Views

Holden comments on Apr 15, 2019:

I see your point. However, HRC won the popular vote by 3 million. She would have won the election if Bernie Sanders had not received 12 percent of the vote. Ones that voted for Bernie or Stein, sabotaged the election and essentially walked DJT into the White House.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 16, 2019:

It doesn't work that way. It was the job of HRC to give people a reason to vote *for* her. She didn't even bother to campaign in key districts Obama had previously won, many of whom wound up voting Trump. She and Schumer famously said they didn't need progressive votes as she would appeal sufficiently to moderate Republicans. And the popular vote gets you a consolation prize and nothing more. Her team knew how the contest was decided. They were so certain she could coast to the finish line, she hadn't even prepared a concession speech.

Re: Notre Dame Cathedral Yes, but is our freedoms burning?

confidentrealm comments on Apr 15, 2019:

It's sad. People gave their lives for this place. The loss of artwork is terrible.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

It reminds me of the deaths protecting artwork in the Burt Lancaster movie "The Train." I'm relieved no one died in the actual fire here at least.

Re: Notre Dame Cathedral Yes, but is our freedoms burning?

F-IM-Forty comments on Apr 15, 2019:

Millions go there to experience an Icon of world history. It is not just a building of a dead empire. I'm hoping some good will come of it, and the looting and destruction in Paris will stop. You made a good point. We have a poor record of maintaining things. 800 hundred years is a blink of an ...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

@powder I felt more could have been done by the international community to prevent that... but then they also let Iraqi historical artifacts get looted from Iraqi museums. The owner of ultra Xian Hobby Lobby was caught trading in these antiquities.

Daniel Ellsberg On Assange Arrest: The Beginning of the End For Press Freedom

AnneWimsey comments on Apr 12, 2019:

Assange (the boy who cried "wolf" on a weekly basis) has given us drump. Your premise is ridiculous.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

@AnneWimsey You still don't get it. There were some things written that were extremely cryptic. Would love to know what the hell they were talking about. It's from the FBI list of pedophile code words. The Comet Pizza owner himself was quoted in a Sunday news mage about storing canned tomatoes in his basement. There's tunnels all through yhat area. One of HRC's CFI employees was busted in Haiti for child trafficking. Again... sorry you can't see past your filters.

Re: Notre Dame Cathedral Yes, but is our freedoms burning?

powder comments on Apr 15, 2019:

If its Catholic, sure the Vatican can afford to rebuild.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

Tru dat. Even after molestation settlements.

Re: Notre Dame Cathedral Yes, but is our freedoms burning?

Beowulfsfriend comments on Apr 15, 2019:

It is sad. A great work of art for itself. Other equal catastrophes have occurred and been nearly ignored - the giant Buddhas destroyed by the Taliban for interest

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

Yep. Linked that below. Seems to me the RCC might have opened their substantial coin purse to see that this was done right.

Daniel Ellsberg On Assange Arrest: The Beginning of the End For Press Freedom

AnneWimsey comments on Apr 12, 2019:

Assange (the boy who cried "wolf" on a weekly basis) has given us drump. Your premise is ridiculous.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

@AnneWimsey The Dems never, ever explained the pedophilia code words in those emails. Seems as if that would have been easy to do. You talk about being clueless... Hillary pushed for the destruction of Libya. In fact, she cackled like a deranged sociopath after Gaddafi was sodomized with a bayonet before being murdered. Your ignorance of Hillary's warmongering does not speak well of your political knowledge. :----: "Berta Cáceres, a Honduran indigenous rights and environmental activist, named Hillary Clinton, holding her responsible for legitimating the 2009 coup. “We warned that this would be very dangerous,” she said, referring to Clinton’s effort to impose elections that would consolidate the power of murderers." https://www.thenation.com/article/chronicle-of-a-honduran-assassination-foretold/

Daniel Ellsberg On Assange Arrest: The Beginning of the End For Press Freedom

AnneWimsey comments on Apr 12, 2019:

Assange (the boy who cried "wolf" on a weekly basis) has given us drump. Your premise is ridiculous.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

@AnneWimsey Cool yer jets there, Anne. I wanted to know how it applied to Assange revealing war crimes. Hillary has quite a lot of blood on her hands. Assange helped expose that. Gowdy is a POS as well.

Re: Notre Dame Cathedral Yes, but is our freedoms burning?

incrocio comments on Apr 15, 2019:

Wow, William Charles...that’s a lot of preaching for an atheist website. We can still comment and feel saddened by the loss of 800 years of architectural achievement, art and history without having to lament every injustice in the world. People can be upset by both. No need to clutch your pearls ...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

@jlynn37 Thank you. I understand what I consider to be knee jerk reactions from some, but felt it was a good opportunity to contrast the many other heartbreaking tragedies that regularly go unmourned by most. I appreciate you adding your thoughts and words of support.

Re: Notre Dame Cathedral Yes, but is our freedoms burning?

incrocio comments on Apr 15, 2019:

Wow, William Charles...that’s a lot of preaching for an atheist website. We can still comment and feel saddened by the loss of 800 years of architectural achievement, art and history without having to lament every injustice in the world. People can be upset by both. No need to clutch your pearls ...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

I can do both... mourn the historic loss, and point out the types of tragedies and outrages that are essentially ignored, dismissed, or downplayed on a daily basis . My point stands, and I stand behind my statement.

Re: Notre Dame Cathedral Yes, but is our freedoms burning?

F-IM-Forty comments on Apr 15, 2019:

Millions go there to experience an Icon of world history. It is not just a building of a dead empire. I'm hoping some good will come of it, and the looting and destruction in Paris will stop. You made a good point. We have a poor record of maintaining things. 800 hundred years is a blink of an ...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

It is tragic indeed. I was outraged at the Taliban destroying the ancient giant carved Buddhas in the cliffs of Afghanistan. We are often quite poor stewards of that which should be preserved. But also what comes to mind for me is all the pictures of extinct species, many of which are quite recent. I guess we'll have to remember Notre Dame Cathedral by pictures alone now as well. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RYPjOeJyNDI

A STAR IS BORN I have been closely following Pete Buttegieg and the more I watch his interviews, ...

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 15, 2019:

Him being a tool of apartheid Chosanistan is a disqualifier for me.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

@Remi I agree. He has many positions I support, but certain things are dealbreakers for me.

A STAR IS BORN I have been closely following Pete Buttegieg and the more I watch his interviews, ...

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 15, 2019:

Him being a tool of apartheid Chosanistan is a disqualifier for me.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

@Remi Note: "good model for US." :-----: "Last May, Buttigieg took a trip to Israel with other mayors that was organized by the American Jewish Committee, a global Jewish advocacy organization. Shortly after his return, Buttigieg was interviewed for the organization’s podcast. That was tough timing, as just four days earlier Israeli forces had killed dozens of Palestinians protesting the opening of the US embassy in Jerusalem. Still, Buttigieg had nothing but high praise for Israel, suggesting its way of handling security threats could be a good model for the US." https://www.vox.com/2019/4/3/18293545/pete-buttigieg-democrats-president-israel-omar-palestine

A STAR IS BORN I have been closely following Pete Buttegieg and the more I watch his interviews, ...

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 15, 2019:

Him being a tool of apartheid Chosanistan is a disqualifier for me.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

@Remi No, it is his on the record comments supporting Israeli oppression.

Daniel Ellsberg On Assange Arrest: The Beginning of the End For Press Freedom

AnneWimsey comments on Apr 12, 2019:

Assange (the boy who cried "wolf" on a weekly basis) has given us drump. Your premise is ridiculous.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

@AnneWimsey Where's Trey Gowdy come in?

Daniel Ellsberg On Assange Arrest: The Beginning of the End For Press Freedom

AnneWimsey comments on Apr 12, 2019:

Assange (the boy who cried "wolf" on a weekly basis) has given us drump. Your premise is ridiculous.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

@AnneWimsey Russiagate is the dead horse Team Hillary is beating. Why wouldn't they, it was their concoction.

Daniel Ellsberg On Assange Arrest: The Beginning of the End For Press Freedom

AnneWimsey comments on Apr 12, 2019:

Assange (the boy who cried "wolf" on a weekly basis) has given us drump. Your premise is ridiculous.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 15, 2019:

W.J. Astore "Give me five minutes, and I can tell you exactly what Bernie Sanders believes in. Single-payer health care for all. A $15 minimum wage. Higher taxes on the richest Americans. College education that doesn’t bankrupt families and leave students with crushing debt. Criminal justice reform. Investment in infrastructure and renewable energy. He gives specifics, and he’s walked a principled walk for decades. But what does the Democratic Partly leadership believe in? As this article at Truthdig put it, “Nancy Pelosi Believes In Nothing.” Of course, she does believe in something: her own power and privilege, which she seeks to maintain and expand. But principles like those held by Bernie Sanders? Forget about it. I’ve been reading Matt Taibbi’s “The Great Derangement,” a terrific book that came out in 2008, and Taibbi nails it in this passage (pages 243-4): The Democrats’ error was in believing that people wouldn’t notice this basic truth [that the party’s ideology is driven by power and nothing more] about their priorities. They were wrong on that score. In fact, a Quinnipiac poll taken around that time [2007] found the approval rating of Congress had fallen to 23 percent. Other polls saw the number plummet to the teens. The rating of the Democratic Congress was even lower than [George W.] Bush’s, and it was not hard to see why. Bush was wrong and insane, but he stood for something. It was a fucked-up something, but it was something. The Democrats stood for nothing; they viewed their own constituents as problems to be handled, and even casual voters were beginning to see this. If you substitute Trump’s name for Bush’s in the above quotation, it makes even more sense. “[Trump] was wrong and insane, but he stood for something. It was a fucked-up something, but it was something.” This is the biggest issue for corporate Democrats: What do you stand for? For so many in the establishment, what they stand for is themselves. The perpetuation of their own power and privilege. This is the biggest reason why Hillary Clinton lost in 2016. It was always all about her." https://bracingviews.com/2019/04/04/what-do-leading-democrats-believe-in/?fbclid=IwAR1dTM1hCUThDTelb0qaoiSsfCzsfGtp8IOt0WueRtBjrNQy4eo8PC4hJ0c

When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are ruled by criminals." -Anonymous

MojoDave comments on Apr 14, 2019:

Assange went well past 'journalism.' In the indictment, the government alleges that Assange worked with Chelsea Manning to obtain classified documents. Prosecutors say that Manning accessed classified government files, provided them to Assange, and later worked with Assange in an attempt to crack ...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 14, 2019:

There are so many elements of disinformation seeking to minimize the war crimes committed. And the war criminals still run free. Some even get cutesy segments on the Ellen show.

The 7 years of lies about Assange won’t stop now

callmedubious comments on Apr 14, 2019:

20 yrs from now he might be remembered as a great freedom fighter. but right now he's pretty well f*cked.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 14, 2019:

"In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends." - Martin Luther King, Jr.

“Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others,...

IamNobody comments on Apr 13, 2019:

You have to consider the source... With Douglas Adams, it was most of the time hard to figure out if he was serious or not

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 14, 2019:

You can tell much truth in humor.

“Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others,...

brentan comments on Apr 13, 2019:

Instead of changing politics, they changed journalism.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 13, 2019:

Boy howdy, ain't that the truth.

The face that deserves a boot will be putting his in yours.

brentan comments on Apr 13, 2019:

How do we deal with the accusation that he put many lives at risk by his disclosures? Can it be ignored? I think people view what he did as a 'mixed bag' and conclude that he did more good than harm. We could trust these details to be untangled in court if we could trust the courts to do it outside ...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 13, 2019:

@TomMcGiverin The 7 years of lies about Assange won’t stop now 11 April 2019 "For seven years, from the moment Julian Assange first sought refuge in the Ecuadorean embassy in London, they have been telling us we were wrong, that we were paranoid conspiracy theorists. We were told there was no real threat of Assange’s extradition to the United States, that it was all in our fevered imaginations. For seven years, we have had to listen to a chorus of journalists, politicians and “experts” telling us that Assange was nothing more than a fugitive from justice, and that the British and Swedish legal systems could be relied on to handle his case in full accordance with the law. Barely a “mainstream” voice was raised in his defence in all that time. From the moment he sought asylum, Assange was cast as an outlaw. His work as the founder of Wikileaks – a digital platform that for the first time in history gave ordinary people a glimpse into the darkest recesses of the most secure vaults in the deepest of Deep States – was erased from the record. Assange was reduced from one of the few towering figures of our time – a man who will have a central place in history books, if we as a species live long enough to write those books – to nothing more than a sex pest, and a scruffy bail-skipper. The political and media class crafted a narrative of half-truths about the sex charges Assange was under investigation for in Sweden. They overlooked the fact that Assange had been allowed to leave Sweden by the original investigator, who dropped the inquiry, only for it to be revived by another investigator with a well-documented political agenda. They failed to mention that Assange was always willing to be questioned by Swedish prosecutors in London, as had occurred in dozens of other cases involving extradition proceedings to Sweden. It was almost as if Swedish officials did not want to test the evidence they claimed to have in their possession. The media and political courtiers endlessly emphasised Assange’s bail violation in the UK, ignoring the fact that asylum seekers fleeing legal and political persecution don’t usually honour bail conditions imposed by the very state authorites from which they are seeking asylum." https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2019-04-11/julian-assange-lies-arrest/?fbclid=IwAR0CMsrqLPgqXrWX9ltyd1sfGKVz4S3qQBufIq0-Y-2SGRj-7UFeXvU81cA

The face that deserves a boot will be putting his in yours.

brentan comments on Apr 13, 2019:

How do we deal with the accusation that he put many lives at risk by his disclosures? Can it be ignored? I think people view what he did as a 'mixed bag' and conclude that he did more good than harm. We could trust these details to be untangled in court if we could trust the courts to do it outside ...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 13, 2019:

I think those are certainly valid questions. My thoughts are that the people that caused literally hundreds of thousands of deaths (possibly over a million even) should not be able to hide behind those acts of Julian Assange that also resulted in deaths because of his recklessness. The greater outrage is the war crimes he helped expose in my opinion.

As evidenced by my PM chat the other night. She swore I wasn't speaking English.

Paracosm comments on Apr 12, 2019:

Yep... or, I end up remaining silent.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 12, 2019:

The attempt is important at least. Yes, I know some exchanges can feel like you wandered into a group chat, but people wishing to communicate can generally find an equilibrium at some point. I kept being told I wasn't making *any* sense, and any attempt at clarification only made things worse apparently. Even saying I had reached a point where I was just trying to make a graceful exit was misconstrued.

The Indictment of Julian Assange Is a Threat to Press Freedom | The Nation

AnneWimsey comments on Apr 12, 2019:

Julian Assnge is one of the he main reasons we have drumpy! Every week, "next week I will bury Hillary with my revelations"...which went on for Months & Months! "The boy who cried Wolf" ring any bells? But the "villagers" never woke up!

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 12, 2019:

Team Hillary shot themselves in the foot by being corrupt.

Daniel Ellsberg On Assange Arrest: The Beginning of the End For Press Freedom

AnneWimsey comments on Apr 12, 2019:

Assange (the boy who cried "wolf" on a weekly basis) has given us drump. Your premise is ridiculous.

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 12, 2019:

The DNC and Team Hillary gave us Cheetolini. He was their handpicked Pied Piper. Rigging primaries has consequences.

So, I'm cruising on into level 8! Less than 800 to go.

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 11, 2019:

I've been liking and commenting generously to help, and hope others do the same with me. I want my damn shirt! ?

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 12, 2019:

@Wildflower Well, that's prudent as well. One should never put themselves out on a limb either.

So, I'm cruising on into level 8! Less than 800 to go.

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 11, 2019:

I've been liking and commenting generously to help, and hope others do the same with me. I want my damn shirt! ?

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 12, 2019:

@Wildflower Thank you. I have always depended on the kindness of strangers. ?

When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are ruled by criminals." -Anonymous

Robecology comments on Apr 11, 2019:

This all started when Chelsea Manning heard about "Waterboarding" and went through inappropriate channels to report it to the media. Obama didn't want to arrest him...the Republicans, fearing exposure for the illegal action during the Iraq war, pressured Obama to pursue him. Then Assange went ...

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 11, 2019:

It is my understanding that those trying to go through proper channels suffered repercussions.

"When the truth loses you friends... get better friends." Jimmy Dore

WilliamCharles comments on Apr 11, 2019:

Quote in context for those interested. A little past 12:00 minutes in. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=poEJI9wMlVw&t=19s

WilliamCharles replies on Apr 11, 2019:

@Robecology And you do realize a space belongs after each ellipsis, no?